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Salviati

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5. I really hate this framing.

Sun Nov 21, 2021, 11:40 AM

Nov 2021

I don't think any of our Democratic members is evil. I don't think that the Democratic party is evil. Do they go as far as I would like? No. But this is not a dictatorship of me, we have to hammer out a way forward through negotiation with a lot of different parties, and we do the best that we can do.

Constant repetition out in the culture that the Democratic party is the 'lesser of two evils' is a way to depress turnout and make people more cynical about the whole process, which is not something we need right now.

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I Would Vote for AOC and I Would Vote for Joe Manchin. [View all] MineralMan Nov 2021 OP

Well said, and I agree 100%. Diamond_Dog Nov 2021 #1

Casey Stengel used to say when he managed the Mets: Tomconroy Nov 2021 #2

Sometimes the only choice we have is Ocelot II Nov 2021 #3

I really hate this framing. Salviati Nov 2021 #5

I was merely trying to inject a little humor; don't take it so damn seriously. Ocelot II Nov 2021 #6

Manchin may not be pure evil but he definitely has evil tendencies. PTWB Nov 2021 #8

Not really how it was framed. Joe Manchin is NOT a Republican. He just acts like one. TigressDem Nov 2021 #12

I'm not quite sure I understand your logic? walkingman Nov 2021 #18

A flawed DEM MIGHT be open to pursuasion with logic. So lesser evil, but there IS an option C TigressDem Nov 2021 #62

I understand and agree - thanks!! walkingman Nov 2021 #63

Yes indeed. nt comradebillyboy Nov 2021 #4

I'd primary Manchin first bigtree Nov 2021 #7

Here's the difference between me and the OP... brooklynite Nov 2021 #11

Good point. I don't vote for obvious losers in primary races. MineralMan Nov 2021 #14

True. Sometimes you gotta play a bit more of the big-picture "long game." n/t Beartracks Nov 2021 #25

here's the rub bigtree Nov 2021 #27

Here in Red Staten Island we nominated a nice moderate Democrat for Borough President Polybius Nov 2021 #41

And a nice AOC-type progressive would have lost by even more... brooklynite Nov 2021 #50

Oh, I'm not arguing that Polybius Nov 2021 #51

Hmm that name (Vito F) sounds familiar... electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #66

The North Shore is more liberal, but still mostly more conservative than the rest of NYC Polybius Nov 2021 #71

Oh, joy, what "fun". ty electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #73

Democratic legislation seems to get passed in the House, gab13by13 Nov 2021 #9

He also was partly responsible for Gore's loss in 2000. MineralMan Nov 2021 #13

I proudly voted for McGovern gab13by13 Nov 2021 #23

McGovern was my first Presidential vote .. electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #67

Lieberman wasn't quite as bad in 2000, was he? Polybius Nov 2021 #45

That depends on how closely you looked at him. MineralMan Nov 2021 #48

I wasn't thrilled either.... 😑 electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #68

Most of the time you need 60 votes in the Senate. Tomconroy Nov 2021 #17

I would walk through rain, sleet and snow for Manchin bottomofthehill Nov 2021 #10

I'd vote for AOC 48656c6c6f20 Nov 2021 #15

I'd do that, too, if I lived in West Virginia. MineralMan Nov 2021 #16

Agree totally DENVERPOPS Nov 2021 #53

I would also vote the Democratic Candidate in either of these races LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2021 #19

Perhaps I'm a pinch too idealistic for my own good, but.... jcmaine72 Nov 2021 #20

Manchin's D meanst that Mitch McConnell isn't Majority Leader MineralMan Nov 2021 #21

Joe Manchin has said that in principal he supports a Tomconroy Nov 2021 #24

You are correct. No Republican Senator will vote for the BBB. MineralMan Nov 2021 #30

And what good does that do when.... jcmaine72 Nov 2021 #28

Who is Senate Majority Leader? Mitch McConnell? MineralMan Nov 2021 #32

What case is there to rest? jcmaine72 Nov 2021 #35

Do you live in West Virginia? MineralMan Nov 2021 #36

One last time: jcmaine72 Nov 2021 #37

Yes! Even a DINO's (D) counts toward a Dem majority and control of the legislative agenda. Beartracks Nov 2021 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #69

+1000000 electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #70

Voting as a strategy crud Nov 2021 #22

Yes. Exactly! MineralMan Nov 2021 #33

I DON'T vote for Republicans. I simply can't. calimary Nov 2021 #26

Nor do I, and I never miss an election. MineralMan Nov 2021 #34

I voted for McCain in the primary over George Bush in 2000 AdamGG Nov 2021 #31

I would never vote for a Republican. Richard58 Nov 2021 #38

How about if it was only AOC vs. Manchin? Polybius Nov 2021 #39

AOC would get my vote, but that will never happen. MineralMan Nov 2021 #42

I was talking about in a primary with them being the only one's left running Polybius Nov 2021 #47

Yes, it's always situational, isn't it. MineralMan Nov 2021 #49

It sort of depends on what state they are running. AOC isn't Tomconroy Nov 2021 #64

AOC nt Progressive Jones Nov 2021 #43

What state would this hypothetical match take place in and for what office? Kaleva Nov 2021 #58

AOC certainly shakes it up, but I gotta say that I agree with her more than Progressive Jones Nov 2021 #40

I don't disagree with her positions on issues. MineralMan Nov 2021 #46

Manchin has said he doesn't want to spend a lot of money on new social Tomconroy Nov 2021 #65

Amen. Say it again! Joinfortmill Nov 2021 #44

Yep. Me too. PatrickforB Nov 2021 #52

Where I live, Minnesota's 5th Congressional district, any Democrat with a pulse Ocelot II Nov 2021 #54

repubs nationwide are busy putting a stop to all this vote for democrats business nt msongs Nov 2021 #55

So, maybe we'd better pass things while we can? MineralMan Nov 2021 #59

I say election reform is more important than BBB and should get priority although msongs Nov 2021 #60

I think we'll get election reform done, too, but it will take killing the filibuster. MineralMan Nov 2021 #61

I would vote for AOC and would have to hold my nose to vote for Manchin BlueJac Nov 2021 #56

The second D to represent my district since the Great Depression was hated here at DU by many. Kaleva Nov 2021 #57

Every Democrat is better than any Republican. Period. nt. BlueIdaho Nov 2021 #72