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TigressDem

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62. A flawed DEM MIGHT be open to pursuasion with logic. So lesser evil, but there IS an option C

Sun Nov 21, 2021, 04:06 PM

Nov 2021

The current Republican party is lockstep in goals I can not support, so like the OP - NO I could not vote against DEM for Repuke.

To defeat them we need a majority so nit picking on a DEM even if it's a raging flaw is self destructive.

And the reply to OP was reacting to that we have framed ourselves as the lesser of two evils when it's like the reich saying "both sides lie". We are speaking truth and facts and also aren't evil.

BUT there was also an option C - find a better DEM and that was what I felt was part of the framework that wasn't acknowledged.

Vote together, but the people in the district are responsible to step up and find a better option than DEMS that are DINO and lockstep with the rePukes against US.

Is that more clear?

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I Would Vote for AOC and I Would Vote for Joe Manchin. [View all] MineralMan Nov 2021 OP

Well said, and I agree 100%. Diamond_Dog Nov 2021 #1

Casey Stengel used to say when he managed the Mets: Tomconroy Nov 2021 #2

Sometimes the only choice we have is Ocelot II Nov 2021 #3

I really hate this framing. Salviati Nov 2021 #5

I was merely trying to inject a little humor; don't take it so damn seriously. Ocelot II Nov 2021 #6

Manchin may not be pure evil but he definitely has evil tendencies. PTWB Nov 2021 #8

Not really how it was framed. Joe Manchin is NOT a Republican. He just acts like one. TigressDem Nov 2021 #12

I'm not quite sure I understand your logic? walkingman Nov 2021 #18

A flawed DEM MIGHT be open to pursuasion with logic. So lesser evil, but there IS an option C TigressDem Nov 2021 #62

I understand and agree - thanks!! walkingman Nov 2021 #63

Yes indeed. nt comradebillyboy Nov 2021 #4

I'd primary Manchin first bigtree Nov 2021 #7

Here's the difference between me and the OP... brooklynite Nov 2021 #11

Good point. I don't vote for obvious losers in primary races. MineralMan Nov 2021 #14

True. Sometimes you gotta play a bit more of the big-picture "long game." n/t Beartracks Nov 2021 #25

here's the rub bigtree Nov 2021 #27

Here in Red Staten Island we nominated a nice moderate Democrat for Borough President Polybius Nov 2021 #41

And a nice AOC-type progressive would have lost by even more... brooklynite Nov 2021 #50

Oh, I'm not arguing that Polybius Nov 2021 #51

Hmm that name (Vito F) sounds familiar... electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #66

The North Shore is more liberal, but still mostly more conservative than the rest of NYC Polybius Nov 2021 #71

Oh, joy, what "fun". ty electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #73

Democratic legislation seems to get passed in the House, gab13by13 Nov 2021 #9

He also was partly responsible for Gore's loss in 2000. MineralMan Nov 2021 #13

I proudly voted for McGovern gab13by13 Nov 2021 #23

McGovern was my first Presidential vote .. electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #67

Lieberman wasn't quite as bad in 2000, was he? Polybius Nov 2021 #45

That depends on how closely you looked at him. MineralMan Nov 2021 #48

I wasn't thrilled either.... 😑 electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #68

Most of the time you need 60 votes in the Senate. Tomconroy Nov 2021 #17

I would walk through rain, sleet and snow for Manchin bottomofthehill Nov 2021 #10

I'd vote for AOC 48656c6c6f20 Nov 2021 #15

I'd do that, too, if I lived in West Virginia. MineralMan Nov 2021 #16

Agree totally DENVERPOPS Nov 2021 #53

I would also vote the Democratic Candidate in either of these races LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2021 #19

Perhaps I'm a pinch too idealistic for my own good, but.... jcmaine72 Nov 2021 #20

Manchin's D meanst that Mitch McConnell isn't Majority Leader MineralMan Nov 2021 #21

Joe Manchin has said that in principal he supports a Tomconroy Nov 2021 #24

You are correct. No Republican Senator will vote for the BBB. MineralMan Nov 2021 #30

And what good does that do when.... jcmaine72 Nov 2021 #28

Who is Senate Majority Leader? Mitch McConnell? MineralMan Nov 2021 #32

What case is there to rest? jcmaine72 Nov 2021 #35

Do you live in West Virginia? MineralMan Nov 2021 #36

One last time: jcmaine72 Nov 2021 #37

Yes! Even a DINO's (D) counts toward a Dem majority and control of the legislative agenda. Beartracks Nov 2021 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #69

+1000000 electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #70

Voting as a strategy crud Nov 2021 #22

Yes. Exactly! MineralMan Nov 2021 #33

I DON'T vote for Republicans. I simply can't. calimary Nov 2021 #26

Nor do I, and I never miss an election. MineralMan Nov 2021 #34

I voted for McCain in the primary over George Bush in 2000 AdamGG Nov 2021 #31

I would never vote for a Republican. Richard58 Nov 2021 #38

How about if it was only AOC vs. Manchin? Polybius Nov 2021 #39

AOC would get my vote, but that will never happen. MineralMan Nov 2021 #42

I was talking about in a primary with them being the only one's left running Polybius Nov 2021 #47

Yes, it's always situational, isn't it. MineralMan Nov 2021 #49

It sort of depends on what state they are running. AOC isn't Tomconroy Nov 2021 #64

AOC nt Progressive Jones Nov 2021 #43

What state would this hypothetical match take place in and for what office? Kaleva Nov 2021 #58

AOC certainly shakes it up, but I gotta say that I agree with her more than Progressive Jones Nov 2021 #40

I don't disagree with her positions on issues. MineralMan Nov 2021 #46

Manchin has said he doesn't want to spend a lot of money on new social Tomconroy Nov 2021 #65

Amen. Say it again! Joinfortmill Nov 2021 #44

Yep. Me too. PatrickforB Nov 2021 #52

Where I live, Minnesota's 5th Congressional district, any Democrat with a pulse Ocelot II Nov 2021 #54

repubs nationwide are busy putting a stop to all this vote for democrats business nt msongs Nov 2021 #55

So, maybe we'd better pass things while we can? MineralMan Nov 2021 #59

I say election reform is more important than BBB and should get priority although msongs Nov 2021 #60

I think we'll get election reform done, too, but it will take killing the filibuster. MineralMan Nov 2021 #61

I would vote for AOC and would have to hold my nose to vote for Manchin BlueJac Nov 2021 #56

The second D to represent my district since the Great Depression was hated here at DU by many. Kaleva Nov 2021 #57

Every Democrat is better than any Republican. Period. nt. BlueIdaho Nov 2021 #72