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Celerity

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45. No, I can assure you it is not widely held, and that is again, typical American hubristic thinking.
Sun Nov 28, 2021, 11:59 PM
Nov 2021

You cannot just snap your fingers and undo 2 plus centuries of academic and real world (at the common zeitgeist level) definitions and consequences of labels based upon those definitions. It is a waste of time and a waste of political capital.

The DSA itself is very much divided between social democrats, actual socialists, and outright Marxists and Trotskyite communists.

It is also damaging to the US Democratic Party by needlessly giving the RW a club to beat us over the head with.

I suggest you go study, to see real world manifestations and outcomes, the interactions over the past 80 years or so between the Social Democrats and the actual socialists (and communists when they were in the same umbrella political groups and parties) in Sweden. I myself have posted somewhat in depth on that subject here in the past.

I empathize. That my thing. Sometimes I empathize for a second with the creepiest applegrove Nov 2021 #1
Yes it's really a complex question.. mvd Nov 2021 #2
I'm a Democrat. n/t TygrBright Nov 2021 #3
Exactly.... LakeArenal Nov 2021 #4
Good answer mvd Nov 2021 #5
Yes. I can't afford to be picky. LeftInTX Nov 2021 #8
Same here. Beyond that, I don't play the label game. n/t DFW Nov 2021 #9
This. Why would we subdivide ourselves? Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #10
That's *it*! - if I need to subdivide, an FDR/LBJ/HST UTUSN Nov 2021 #46
I think I'm an FDR-JFK type democrat. Tomconroy Nov 2021 #6
That's how I think of myself too. In line with these two Presidents. n/t Greybnk48 Nov 2021 #29
I don't fit very well into categories, as where I am really depends on the issue Amishman Nov 2021 #7
Why do you say you aren't "woke"? Elessar Zappa Nov 2021 #17
its a loaded term, allow me to explain a bit better Amishman Nov 2021 #18
Ok, thanks for the explanation. Elessar Zappa Nov 2021 #25
sigh, this makes me so sad (I am too tired to even get mad over it, it is just wearying) Celerity Nov 2021 #30
I thought it also meant that you are ok with banning long time things now found offensive by some Polybius Nov 2021 #24
I think those examples Elessar Zappa Nov 2021 #26
You sound very pragmatic on labor/immigration. Boomerproud Nov 2021 #22
Mainstream liberals are all progressive left, though. How do I click both? Hortensis Nov 2021 #11
Same as you... Karma13612 Nov 2021 #12
The Left-Right spectrum is a fool's game, Ron Green Nov 2021 #13
History of the...Left - Right spectrum. Where did it come from? French Revolution.. Stuart G Nov 2021 #21
I'd like to see a definition of terms Poiuyt Nov 2021 #14
Under my thinking.. mvd Nov 2021 #20
Absolutely not. Celerity Nov 2021 #34
I wasn't really contradicting most of that mvd Nov 2021 #35
Not many, only a handful self-label as such. AOC and Bernie are the two most well known. Celerity Nov 2021 #36
Well I just can't agree about the self inflicted wound mvd Nov 2021 #38
It is hubristic to think you can simply 're-brand' a toxic (toxic in a reactionary nation-state like Celerity Nov 2021 #39
Because Democratic Socialism is not socialism mvd Nov 2021 #40
that is simply false, democratic socialism is a form of socialism Celerity Nov 2021 #43
It's not false mvd Nov 2021 #44
No, I can assure you it is not widely held, and that is again, typical American hubristic thinking. Celerity Nov 2021 #45
I chose progressive left. Elessar Zappa Nov 2021 #15
Mainstream liberal with a little centrism. Wingus Dingus Nov 2021 #16
Most Centrists now seem to be Ike Republicans. TheBlackAdder Nov 2021 #19
Monarchist. tavernier Nov 2021 #23
Radical Evolutionary Biologist and some kind of humanst. hunter Nov 2021 #27
What's in a name? 🙃 moondust Nov 2021 #28
Whereas... DFW Nov 2021 #31
That was an easy choice - Democratic Socialist. And I embrace the label. GoneOffShore Nov 2021 #32
It depends on the issue Klaralven Nov 2021 #33
I am a democrat. boston bean Nov 2021 #37
i took this quiz orleans Nov 2021 #41
Yellow Dog Democrat. nt GoodRaisin Nov 2021 #42
A pragmatic liberal. nt jml510 Nov 2021 #47
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