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Ms. Toad

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144. It would be a little silly if she identifies as female.

Mon Dec 6, 2021, 11:55 PM

Dec 2021

In English the he/his and she/her pronouns have not vanished just becase individuals now use different pronouns.

The point is that there are indivduals who choose to use ths "x" rather than the "o" or "a." And it matters not a whit whether you (or the majority of the population) like it or not - any more than it matters whether you like the singular they when someone chooses to use it (or ze/zir).

AND - just as it is offensive to use the generic male (-men as a suffix), there are women and non-binary indviduals who find it offensive to be referrred to in mixed-gender groups by a word with an -os suffix.

It's pretty recent history that women have largely been successful in eliminating the generic "he" in English. And for a long time the headline on that transition could easily have read, "Democrats fall flat with "person" language.

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Democrats fall flat with 'Latinx' language [View all] brooklynite Dec 2021 OP

I've Always Found 'Hispanic' Works Fine, Sir The Magistrate Dec 2021 #1

Yet that only refers to Spanish speaking people iemanja Dec 2021 #32

As You Wish The Magistrate Dec 2021 #35

It's just the definition. As iemanja says. Hortensis Dec 2021 #47

This Still Seems All Rather Airy, Ma'am The Magistrate Dec 2021 #50

:) No, I'm pretty sure they're all used to others confusing the terms. Hortensis Dec 2021 #171

New Mexicans descended from Spanish and Native Americans, Sur Zobra Dec 2021 #162

Some significant Brazillian populations in Colorado. They are merely referred to as Brazilian hlthe2b Dec 2021 #69

Latino and Hispanic are US Census terms LeftInTX Dec 2021 #119

I was responding to the concern over Brazilians not being Hispanic with the suggestion that hlthe2b Dec 2021 #122

The Hispanic community has spoken. jimfields33 Dec 2021 #2

Yes, me too. Cracklin Charlie Dec 2021 #12

Same here. I have no clue ForgedCrank Dec 2021 #179

I asked about it here, once. Cracklin Charlie Dec 2021 #180

Excuse me but HISpanic? AncientAndy Dec 2021 #146

Welcome to DU! n/t GP6971 Dec 2021 #147

The Carriage Changes Back To a Pumpkin By Midnight, You Know.... The Magistrate Dec 2021 #148

The rain in Spain stays mainly on the plain. AncientAndy Dec 2021 #152

Sin Novedad The Magistrate Dec 2021 #155

OMG!! ROFL!! LeftInTX Dec 2021 #158

If that is the issue... CrackityJones75 Dec 2021 #3

Is that your standard approach to voters? brooklynite Dec 2021 #5

I am not running for office. CrackityJones75 Dec 2021 #10

Thank-you, well said JohnSJ Dec 2021 #14

Honestly, I think it's important to listen to those it regards jimfields33 Dec 2021 #15

If you don't respect someone's culture, why would they listen to you? Sympthsical Dec 2021 #18

✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ msfiddlestix Dec 2021 #80

Exactly! CrackityJones75 Dec 2021 #97

to unreasonable voters who make things impossible treestar Dec 2021 #52

Latino voters seem to bit a bit of a block when it comes to people using Latinx however. NT cinematicdiversions Dec 2021 #61

Do they like it or no? treestar Dec 2021 #95

Only a very small subset and they're mostly gay LeftInTX Dec 2021 #120

Don't write off '22 yet. The infrastructure bills could shake things up. brush Dec 2021 #175

Latinx is a typical Americanism in its use of a short cut to include both genders... brush Dec 2021 #4

Yes Dorian Gray Dec 2021 #13

Latino is better than Latin. Latino is actually gender encompassing LeftInTX Dec 2021 #17

Latino is the masculine descriptor Caliman73 Dec 2021 #20

That's what I meant. Since we're talking about politics and a voting bloc, we would be referring to LeftInTX Dec 2021 #27

But then the question is, "Why Latinos?" Caliman73 Dec 2021 #29

So what are you proposing for the headline? LeftInTX Dec 2021 #51

I am proposing nothing for the headline. Just seeing what you think about "gendered language". Caliman73 Dec 2021 #62

Non-gender specific is why Latinx was created but if it's unpopular... brush Dec 2021 #106

Agreed. Caliman73 Dec 2021 #116

Your last sentence works. It's a good suggestion. brush Dec 2021 #117

Mi gente! LeftInTX Dec 2021 #151

Well, the English genderless term is Latin ... but that comes with some historical baggage ... eppur_se_muova Dec 2021 #187

This is why we should all have language classes in high school sir pball Dec 2021 #102

The thing is Latino and Latina are not even Spanish words. They're also American..LOL LeftInTX Dec 2021 #113

See post 4. It's just an Americanism...you know here abbreviations... brush Dec 2021 #156

Maybe it's 1000 Colombianas and a single (very happy) Mexicano. old as dirt Dec 2021 #91

I'm sure there are Latino and Latina people Dorian Gray Dec 2021 #39

The discussion beyond this post is great Dorian Gray Dec 2021 #64

I would never use it.. Cha Dec 2021 #126

Most I know use Latino(s) to self-describe themselves. Ace Rothstein Dec 2021 #6

Nope. Latinx was flat out rejected by Mexicans in California. MenloParque Dec 2021 #7

It is a silly made up word. dalton99a Dec 2021 #8

Yup, unwanted and unused by the general public Amishman Dec 2021 #77

Its usage in many parts of Texas is a non-issue. Torchlight Dec 2021 #9

that's good to hear, maybe we just need to have regionality in mind when using the term? cadoman Dec 2021 #135

We could also stand to eliminate the term, "neo-liberal" as well. world wide wally Dec 2021 #11

That's a tricky term. It's meaning is just about opposite to liberalism. brush Dec 2021 #19

That has to do with "classical liberal", which was more an economic idea, than a political ideology. Caliman73 Dec 2021 #24

Yes, used to put liberals/Democrats in the "Them" category, not progressive, both sides. betsuni Dec 2021 #98

You do know that neoliberalism is a specific economic stance, right? Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2021 #177

Latinos in my life really, really hate it Sympthsical Dec 2021 #16

See post 4. It's really a typical Americanism but if Hispanics... brush Dec 2021 #21

This came up in my job Sympthsical Dec 2021 #41

If it's regional that a whole other complexity. But it seems Latinx... brush Dec 2021 #99

How else are we going to let the Hispanics know we find their culture sexist cinematicdiversions Dec 2021 #25

I blame machismx Sympthsical Dec 2021 #46

Ha-ha! You win the internet! old as dirt Dec 2021 #112

Same Here ProfessorGAC Dec 2021 #34

Is this in the Midwest? Sympthsical Dec 2021 #48

Illinois ProfessorGAC Dec 2021 #75

I'm not surprised. The machismo associated with many Hispanic men have lead many men hlthe2b Dec 2021 #22

It makes about as much sense as "peoplx" LeftInTX Dec 2021 #30

Chalk and cheese Celerity Dec 2021 #36

Spanish (and French, Italian, and the other Romance tongues) is gendered. sir pball Dec 2021 #108

It is used by Anglos who don't actually know any Latinos. MineralMan Dec 2021 #23

How did "latinx" become the Democrats' fault? It originated in academia and the Latino Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #26

Biden used it LeftInTX Dec 2021 #31

Ah! A Democrat used the term once! I guess that DOES make it a Democratic creation. Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #45

I think there is media that seek out nominal concerns Torchlight Dec 2021 #37

EXACTLY! CrackityJones75 Dec 2021 #100

The head of Texas Dems Texas Hispanic Caucus uses it LeftInTX Dec 2021 #132

I clicked the first link. "Latino" is used throughout it. Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #170

It's a trendy academic rebranding of an American ethnic group Bucky Dec 2021 #185

The Democratic Party certainly been using it quite a bit: Jose Garcia Dec 2021 #191

I usually use Latino or Latina, whichever is gender-appropriate, and often just Hispanic. Aristus Dec 2021 #28

I'm not sure if Chicano is pejorative, exactly, Haggard Celine Dec 2021 #56

It is absolutely not perjorative. sir pball Dec 2021 #111

They should just stop using it. Behind the Aegis Dec 2021 #33

I haven't seen or heard this, but it would at least make more sense. old as dirt Dec 2021 #90

It's pronounced Latin X...Like Malcom X LeftInTX Dec 2021 #101

Ha-ha! old as dirt Dec 2021 #109

It's not a Spanish word iemanja Dec 2021 #121

My wife considers herself a bit of a bruja. old as dirt Dec 2021 #181

So she doesn't say brujx? Bucky Dec 2021 #186

I disagree. old as dirt Dec 2021 #189

Actually WHITT Dec 2021 #38

"the objections are nothing but Carville-speak" TwilightZone Dec 2021 #43

You Might Want To WHITT Dec 2021 #49

"Bendixen & Amandi International, a top Democratic firm specializing in Latino outreach." brooklynite Dec 2021 #54

You Keep Tellin' Yourself That WHITT Dec 2021 #58

Would an NBC story make you feel better? brooklynite Dec 2021 #83

You Need To Check #66 WHITT Dec 2021 #136

I live in Brooklyn Dorian Gray Dec 2021 #169

Exactly WHO WHITT Dec 2021 #172

I used a specific word Dorian Gray Dec 2021 #183

Majority? WHITT Dec 2021 #188

This message was self-deleted by its author Dorian Gray Dec 2021 #182

Why not Politica?...or Politicx? old as dirt Dec 2021 #59

Congressman Ruben Gallego LeftInTX Dec 2021 #160

40% is not a majority treestar Dec 2021 #104

And it is 100% rejected Sur Zobra Dec 2021 #163

My understanding is that "Latina" is correct when the reference is exclusively female FakeNoose Dec 2021 #40

Yes. Elessar Zappa Dec 2021 #44

It started WITH LatinX who coined it, and ended with Latinos/Latinas Hortensis Dec 2021 #42

No we should double down like we did with No bail for shoplifters and defund the police. cinematicdiversions Dec 2021 #63

no 'we' don't do that bigtree Dec 2021 #65

Yes! Exactly! CrackityJones75 Dec 2021 #103

Sounds like a lot of the highly-paid consultants really aren't all that worthy bullwinkle428 Dec 2021 #53

Once again, regardless of culture, the male/binary rules!!! Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #55

Hispanic is gender-neutral and that is what I am told (in CO, at least) they wish to use. hlthe2b Dec 2021 #68

Although othr posters in this thread Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #79

As I have said previously, I am quite happy to respect the requested terms someone indicates. hlthe2b Dec 2021 #87

Latino is male (o is male, a is female) Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #93

Battles? I don't want to fight any battles. old as dirt Dec 2021 #127

I didn't say you should change now you refer to her. Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #142

What's Caucana? LeftInTX Dec 2021 #165

This message was self-deleted by its author old as dirt Dec 2021 #176

Indeed it is just that--your wanting to tell milllions of culturally distinct people how they should hlthe2b Dec 2021 #168

No. Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #173

okay.... hlthe2b Dec 2021 #174

I think you might find this WAPO article from 2020 interesting. It is paywalled, but hlthe2b Dec 2021 #92

The article does not raise the voices of trans/non-binary voices Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #94

Were you able to access the full article? Because an alternative was discussed hlthe2b Dec 2021 #96

non paywalled link Celerity Dec 2021 #131

thanks, Celerity hlthe2b Dec 2021 #167

Latino is gender neutral depending on context Zeitghost Dec 2021 #74

Latino is no more gender neutral than the use of generic "he" in English. Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #78

It's the proper term Zeitghost Dec 2021 #81

It reeks of binary/male privilege Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #84

You are aware that many Latinos find it insulting Zeitghost Dec 2021 #129

I am aware of how the trans latinx individuals Iknow view it. Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #141

Should my wife call herself a negrx instead of a negra? old as dirt Dec 2021 #118

It would be a little silly if she identifies as female. Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #144

The point is, don't be a pendejx Bucky Dec 2021 #184

I'm sure part of this is regional and age-related tishaLA Dec 2021 #57

good thing the term didn't originate with them bigtree Dec 2021 #60

Eh WHITT Dec 2021 #66

I never had any idea what was wrong with TheFarseer Dec 2021 #67

I agree that it's stupid and tone deaf senseandsensibility Dec 2021 #70

As a general rule, I think it's polite to refer to a group the way they Tomconroy Dec 2021 #71

Yes! senseandsensibility Dec 2021 #72

My wife would adore your screen name! Tomconroy Dec 2021 #73

Suppose they don't agree treestar Dec 2021 #107

Can I check on the pronunciation? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2021 #76

Yep...Latin-X LeftInTX Dec 2021 #157

That word has been soundly rejected for a year or so now ismnotwasm Dec 2021 #82

That's what I want to know MustLoveBeagles Dec 2021 #123

Simple question. LiberatedUSA Dec 2021 #85

My wife uses Gringa and Gringo. Should she use Gringx? old as dirt Dec 2021 #86

LOL LOL LOL LeftInTX Dec 2021 #130

Gringx is way too close to Gingrich, as in Newt. I reject all Newts! Hekate Dec 2021 #153

It all depends on the person RFCalifornia Dec 2021 #88

I live in the Southwest with a large DenaliDemocrat Dec 2021 #89

Are these the same folks that came up with "Build Back Better?" jalan48 Dec 2021 #105

No...It's been around for awhile LeftInTX Dec 2021 #110

Thanks for the info. Maybe the Dems responsible thought it would catch on here. jalan48 Dec 2021 #114

So we should all go back to.... CrackityJones75 Dec 2021 #115

It's the dominant term in academia iemanja Dec 2021 #124

to me is a ridiculous word mshasta Dec 2021 #125

I am so sick of your Dem bashing posts tenderfoot Dec 2021 #128

I don't think he's trying to be a pendejx about it Bucky Dec 2021 #190

Origins Celerity Dec 2021 #133

Thanks for sharing this information. I had just MerryBlooms Dec 2021 #134

Just A Reminder WHITT Dec 2021 #137

it many cases it isn't 'merely opinion', especially an article as footnoted & documented as this one Celerity Dec 2021 #139

HEH WHITT Dec 2021 #150

No. Celerity Dec 2021 #154

Swing And A Miss WHITT Dec 2021 #159

No. All you are posting is drive-by, pretty much content free FUD replies, containing no specificity Celerity Dec 2021 #161

Eh WHITT Dec 2021 #164

Oh thanks...I remember reading something about Oaxaca and this years ago LeftInTX Dec 2021 #138

Politico reporter backs down after facing Twitter storm for sexist Kamala Harris post (OP co-author) Celerity Dec 2021 #140

Gustavo Arrellano, one of the LA Times excellent columnists, commented on the use of "woke" ... Hekate Dec 2021 #143

Philosophical descendants of armchair Aztecs LeftInTX Dec 2021 #145

You just made me laugh out loud, something I seldom find occasion to do. Wokosxs -- omg roflmao Hekate Dec 2021 #149

Maybe stop with the practice of labels on people that make us comfortable. alphafemale Dec 2021 #166

Clumsy-sounding word, rejected by a majority of a voting base we really need. Paladin Dec 2021 #178

AFAIK, progressive Latinas came up with the term, radius777 Dec 2021 #192

We wouldn't be Dems if we didn't repeatedly hand the Repukes a two-by-four ... 11 Bravo Dec 2021 #193