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122. Okay I have a LOT to talk with you about, but first a couple of questions

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 08:55 PM

Jan 2012

First, though, I'm not appreciating your supercilious attitude. It's uncalled for, and frankly could be interpreted as sexist.

I'm not sure you're fully understanding my point here. I understand why you see elements in pornography that are reminiscent of real-world abuses. My question is whether causality truly exists.

... I think that this is such an important issue because it has far reaching implications. If porn can be shown in any way to have had a direct influence on the number, brutality or normalization of rape within our society then we have an obligation to act on it.

... So when I ask if there is any link between porn and rape I am talking about legitimate studies that demonstrate direct causality. This subject certainly HAS been studied. And to my knowledge there hasn't been any evidence to suggest that porn and violence against women are linked.

Okay, before I go any further, I'd like to know what "act on it" means in your mind? What would that entail? What are the options? If such harm as you describe is or has been found, what exactly do you think we should we do about it?

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Let it sink. [View all] denem Jan 2012 OP

I can't help but wonder, if 1 in 5 women are raped ... dawg Jan 2012 #1

If it's your intimate partner over the years, that would be one. denem Jan 2012 #3

I guess that probably does happen a lot. dawg Jan 2012 #10

Those numbers were the result of a survey Major Nikon Jan 2012 #101

Rape is not always rape. It is just lumped together. RC Jan 2012 #7

didnt the FBI only just start adding younger kids and males? nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #22

Oh, look, a MRA argument Scootaloo Jan 2012 #39

I had a friend in PRISON for this joeglow3 Jan 2012 #53

Well, of course you do Scootaloo Jan 2012 #65

My goodness Charlemagne Jan 2012 #72

Ah yes. The Duke Lacrosse team Case Scootaloo Jan 2012 #78

What the hell? Charlemagne Jan 2012 #81

it is merely a means of diverting. fbi says UNDER 5% are false. they say 30-70% are NOT reported seabeyond Jan 2012 #82

Just pointing out that it's a perfect storm of "Oppression of the privileged" Scootaloo Jan 2012 #110

I know you can't clutter your beautiful mind with that fact Charlemagne Jan 2012 #112

Actually, you are now making shit up to justify your irrationality joeglow3 Jan 2012 #113

Regularly enough to "spike the numbers" though, apparently Scootaloo Jan 2012 #121

omg. Starry Messenger Jan 2012 #80

Like I said, we are lucky. joeglow3 Jan 2012 #91

Yes that is what the poster said Charlemagne Jan 2012 #73

"There are all sorts of reasons to spike the numbers" Scootaloo Jan 2012 #77

Right Charlemagne Jan 2012 #79

give it a fuckin break. such an extreme it is ridiculous to hold it up to dismiss rape concern. seabeyond Jan 2012 #83

No Dorian Gray Jan 2012 #87

That almost never happens. The only thing I could find in favor chrisa Jan 2012 #94

different studies of college men would rape if they thought they could get away with it, 43%-60% seabeyond Jan 2012 #13

I can't believe that it could really be that high. dawg Jan 2012 #26

i dont know the number of college males that describe rape yet when asked if raped, they said no. seabeyond Jan 2012 #29

You're making the claims. tabasco Jan 2012 #62

It's the "but it's not rape if" situation. redqueen Jan 2012 #38

It's rape under the CDC definition. denem Jan 2012 #42

Yes, it is. redqueen Jan 2012 #48

I didn't do the whole college-boy frat-party thing. dawg Jan 2012 #44

Bad things can happen to women who get too drunk in public full stop. redqueen Jan 2012 #50

or less than one drink, with a drug added. women have to get the drink, hold the drink seabeyond Jan 2012 #56

you from Charlemagne Jan 2012 #74

One guy who isn't put in jail can have a very busy life. aquart Jan 2012 #40

and very few of them are put in jail Remember Me Jan 2012 #67

if that's true society's fucked. maggiesfarmer Jan 2012 #60

Do you have a study Dorian Gray Jan 2012 #90

I know a guy who DevonRex Jan 2012 #23

I think a lot of men don't realize they're rapists. redqueen Jan 2012 #28

I don't see much gray here. dawg Jan 2012 #41

Maybe on some level, they do realize it. redqueen Jan 2012 #46

Thanks for the link. dawg Jan 2012 #51

My pleasure (nt) redqueen Jan 2012 #54

Accidental? No. aquart Jan 2012 #43

Yes, exactly. redqueen Jan 2012 #47

The US is a very prudish, intolerant, violent nation. RC Jan 2012 #2

sweden and france both have a higher number of unreported rape because seabeyond Jan 2012 #17

I find this number staggering. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #4

oh sweet god. Your family, I wish them peace. ANd the attackers? Something a lot less. roguevalley Jan 2012 #5

With the exception of my grandmother, all were raped at Middle or Senior High. denem Jan 2012 #9

not many women share.... three women. three rapes. one was never raped seabeyond Jan 2012 #24

My wife only found out one of daughters was raped years later. denem Jan 2012 #31

ya. seabeyond Jan 2012 #33

I suspect you know many others who have been raped but have not been told cally Jan 2012 #35

Do you understand how averages work? n/t Gormy Cuss Jan 2012 #69

I find it possible to hate both. One feeds the other a lot of the time. roguevalley Jan 2012 #6

Both are symptomatic of a deeper ills, IMO denem Jan 2012 #12

agreed completely roguevalley Jan 2012 #58

Well prostitution and slavery do go hand-in-hand. Rex Jan 2012 #8

and boys. that market is escalating. i read i think just yesterday. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #27

Yes, I see there is a term for it Rex Jan 2012 #30

denem. an excellent post. thank you. you said it all. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #11

Thank you. denem Jan 2012 #16

You know what's more disgusting MattBaggins Jan 2012 #14

especially when it goes hand in hand with sex slaves, CHILD sex slaves. those people are dismissed seabeyond Jan 2012 #32

Indeed Charlemagne Jan 2012 #76

yes... the dismissiveness of the issue is exactly what "they" mean. seabeyond Jan 2012 #84

Yep im trying to dismiss Charlemagne Jan 2012 #86

it is clear. why? that is your own. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #89

The people who don't know, what they don't know are more scary than disgusting. IMHO. denem Jan 2012 #34

If you videotape yourself and nobody sees it is it still porn? snooper2 Jan 2012 #15

WTF does this have to do with the everyday prevalence of sexual violence. denem Jan 2012 #19

hardy friggen har har Whisp Jan 2012 #21

What does the OP have to do with my basic question? snooper2 Jan 2012 #107

I hope you will consider self deletion. Ms. Toad Jan 2012 #45

not to mention the ever popular gang rape porn. you are right seabeyond Jan 2012 #57

"videotape yourself" Occulus Jan 2012 #59

wtf? seabeyond Jan 2012 #61

Training ground for rape? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #63

It is not the fantasy aspect Ms. Toad Jan 2012 #64

But isn't there a disconnect? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #66

OMG Remember Me Jan 2012 #68

You are forgiven. Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #70

Okay I have a LOT to talk with you about, but first a couple of questions Remember Me Jan 2012 #122

Some of pornography is actual physical violence Ms. Toad Jan 2012 #71

I don't know. Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #75

of course you dont see it as problematic, you defend. you excuse. you dismiss. that is clear. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #88

Huh? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #93

thru out this thread, that is ALL you have done. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #96

OK. Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #99

dismiss. i am dismissing you. that is different from getting mad. your posts have a designed goal seabeyond Jan 2012 #100

really? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #102

You have just articulated the reason for most rape Ms. Toad Jan 2012 #92

For men who rape marions ghost Jan 2012 #105

are you really asking what we see effects us? fox news. how do you think it effects those that seabeyond Jan 2012 #85

I really don't think so. Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #95

what a hoot.... nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #97

IMO they are all inextricably linked. The idea that women's bodies are things. redqueen Jan 2012 #18

That's Capitalism - and that's the point. denem Jan 2012 #25

The way I see it, we all agree that rape is wrong. redqueen Jan 2012 #36

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000 Odin2005 Jan 2012 #103

Well said! Spazito Jan 2012 #20

The DU feminists also have their threads derailed about the topics you raise on a regular basis. Starry Messenger Jan 2012 #37

Sorry. I was not in the least trying to trivialize feminism. denem Jan 2012 #49

Gotcha. Starry Messenger Jan 2012 #52

Thanks. denem Jan 2012 #55

Thanks for mansplaining this to us... msanthrope Jan 2012 #98

Slimy certainty? I quoted CDC figures, about a epidemic of sexual violence in the United States. denem Jan 2012 #104

Perhaps you could ask them how it feels to have their rapes used to make your porn argument. msanthrope Jan 2012 #106

That is one of the most cold hearted things I have ever read. denem Jan 2012 #108

..!. Froward69 Jan 2012 #109

Good thinking redqueen Jan 2012 #111

Evolving to procreate is what life does Froward69 Jan 2012 #114

Pretending humans are no different, cognitively and behaviorally, than animals redqueen Jan 2012 #115

Dude, your posts are making me depressed. Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #117

42 FORMER lovesick loser Froward69 Jan 2012 #118

Wow. Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #116

I have had someone wake me up by going down on me, I did not consent The Straight Story Jan 2012 #119

If anyone wonders why . . . Brigid Jan 2012 #120