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wnylib

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53. The souffle analogy might be true, depending
Tue Dec 7, 2021, 10:12 PM
Dec 2021

On who or what is the souffle. If it is the evidence and witnesses against him, no, I would not agree. But if Trump and his gang are the souffle, yes, they will fall. But they will fight explosively on the way down.

Nixon was a bit more dangerous than some people think.

Both men were/are obsessed with their own personal power. Nixon believed, like Trump, that the presidency gave him unlimited authority. After Watergate, David Frost interviewed him. Frost brought up the illegality of Nixon's actions and Nixon responded, "It's not illegal when the president does it." Above the law, not constrained by it. Sound familiar?

Nixon sought unlimited power for himself and for the military industrial complex whose interests he represented. But he did have some degree of a sense of governance, too. Trump totally lacks that. Trump was playacting at being president. Trump is willing to overturn the government completely. Nixon wanted to keep the government but have complete personal control over it.

Remember Trump's use of law enforcement tactics during BLM protests to intimidate people in Seattle with secret arrests and threats? Under Nixon, anti war protesters were demonized, arrested, and beaten. Protest and civil rights groups were infiltrated by government agents in order to spy on them in the COINTEL program.

Trump declared certain members of the press as enemies of the people. Nixon had an "enemies list" of journalists that he ordered the FBI to surveil.

Nixon's and Trump's styles are very different from each other but they share some motives and goals. I think that Nixon probably convinced himself that his actions were in tge best interests of the nation and people. Trump, as we know, doesn't give a damn about anyone's welfare but his own.

Nixon was most dangerous in his last days and weeks as revelations in the hearings and in the Washington Post's reportings by Woodward and Bernstein became public. Nixon had always had a paranoid streak. In his final weeks, he was decompensating psychologically - losing it, in other words. Leaks from the White House said that he was drinking heavily, mumbling to himself, carrying out arguments out loud (with no one). There were serious concerns that he might decide to take the country down with him. The military brass talked about adding checks and balances on any nuclear orders that Nixon might give out.

Trump is a more serious threat to democracy. He is a more practiced criminal and an iconoclastic person who enjoys destroying people and creating chaos. All the more reason to be sure that we've nailed the case before moving in on him legally. I fully expect him to foment violence on a larger scale than 1/6 when he feels cornered by the law.

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tiedrich -- "let's GO" [View all] orleans Dec 2021 OP
Who told Proud Boys Donahoe about the deployment before top DoD figures? Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #1
It's a very sad state of affairs Ferrets are Cool Dec 2021 #2
yep llashram Dec 2021 #3
Sorry to say it but I think it's all a rope-a-dope until Rethugs get back the House and it all just BamaRefugee Dec 2021 #4
That is the sad truth about America. FoxNewsSucks Dec 2021 #9
WASF DENVERPOPS Dec 2021 #11
...And there is only one latrine...🎵 Whatthe_Firetruck Dec 2021 #19
Don't forget Elizabeth NJCher Dec 2021 #39
Let's GO! ancianita Dec 2021 #5
I've bookmarked that NJCher Dec 2021 #44
The wheels of justice grind slowly Mr. Ected Dec 2021 #6
Especially when they take so damn long he has loads of time calimary Dec 2021 #7
Agreement marieo1 Dec 2021 #8
Meanwhile, Gov. Cuomo was charged and kicked out in what, 6.5 minutes? BamaRefugee Dec 2021 #10
it was about 9 months from accusation to resignation Takket Dec 2021 #20
I know that but I was making apoint that in 4+YEARS nothing has happened to 99.9% of the criminals BamaRefugee Dec 2021 #21
And it's been 11 months from treason, insurrection and murder to now.... hadEnuf Dec 2021 #23
Garlands shaking like a frightened child BradBo Dec 2021 #12
Check back in 2023 something might be happening! BlueJac Dec 2021 #13
And who built the frickin' gallows? Cobalt Violet Dec 2021 #14
I attempted to start this soldierant Dec 2021 #15
Thank you for posting this comparison wnylib Dec 2021 #16
I'm old enough to remember. I also know that there have been fundamental changes Poiuyt Dec 2021 #17
Most of the people who insist wnylib Dec 2021 #18
I would be delighted for him to be charged and convicted. I'm beginning to see Progressive Jones Dec 2021 #26
We all know what a slippery eel TFG is. wnylib Dec 2021 #38
really? you wonder if dems would be disappointed? come on! orleans Dec 2021 #27
It's not about whether or not someone is a Dem. wnylib Dec 2021 #42
Thank you. soldierant Dec 2021 #51
The souffle analogy might be true, depending wnylib Dec 2021 #53
Nixon did not continue to beliee he was still president after he wasn't. soldierant Dec 2021 #54
I don't think that Trump believes wnylib Dec 2021 #55
You're probably right, but soldierant Dec 2021 #56
+1000 NJCher Dec 2021 #41
I think that if they really feel wnylib Dec 2021 #43
Watergate was popping a lock on an office door and a cover up. hadEnuf Dec 2021 #24
There certainly is a difference. wnylib Dec 2021 #25
It's the lack of urgency and seriousness. hadEnuf Dec 2021 #28
That doesn't bother me. soldierant Dec 2021 #29
What makes you think that there is wnylib Dec 2021 #37
So write my congressman if I don't like it. Got it. hadEnuf Dec 2021 #45
You dismiss writing your congressman if wnylib Dec 2021 #47
I'm not dismissing anything. I simply felt your reply was dismissive of some credible concerns. hadEnuf Dec 2021 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author hadEnuf Dec 2021 #50
EXACTLY. Grasswire2 Dec 2021 #34
Watergate was before 24 hour news and social media. Criminals didn't post videos of themselves Autumn Dec 2021 #46
Sure, a lot of things are different now. wnylib Dec 2021 #48
Very important NJCher Dec 2021 #40
Thank you. soldierant Dec 2021 #52
Even if a slew of indictments came out tomorrow... Silent3 Dec 2021 #22
Twitter replies: Rhiannon12866 Dec 2021 #30
thanks for all of those replies! orleans Dec 2021 #31
You're more than welcome, I think I like the last one the best! Rhiannon12866 Dec 2021 #32
that last one is great. i was scrolling down to read them and scrolled back up to take a longer orleans Dec 2021 #35
I will never understand, it's totally beyond me, why anyone would want to be associated with, Rhiannon12866 Dec 2021 #36
Not that it's very important... WarGamer Dec 2021 #33
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