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cab67

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15. We can get in real trouble if we don't accept some level of inflation.
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 09:29 PM
Dec 2021

I'm not defending it in the least. However, a colleague at a different university was once called to the provost's office to explain why one third of his class received a grade of D or F. No amount of "But they didn't pass the exams" worked. This was someone who'd taught the course for many years and who encountered an unusually low-achieving group that particular term. He thought (correctly, in my view) that it was disrespectful to students who'd done well in previous terms to assign decent grades to students who didn't earn them.

My institution has an expected grade distribution for large-enrollment undergraduate courses. Suprisingly enough, it has nearly always worked well for students in the C+ through A+ range - most students earning A's are in the 90's (with a few 89's), the B range doesn't fall too far below 80 percent, and most C plusses are in the high 70's. The inflation is all at the low end, which is why I've got students with a class average in the 50's getting D's.

I typically reserve D minuses for students who would otherwise get an F, but whom I know to have tried very hard and had something getting in their way. I can't justify a good grade, but would rather at least give a passing one.

Bear in mind, the inflation starts long before they show up for college. We now have a workshop for first-year students before fall classes start that essentially tells them how to be a student. I mean things like taking notes, actually reading the textbook, paying attention to what's on the syllabus - stuff that, when started college in the 1980's, was assumed to be within the toolbox of every incoming freshman.

I could go on and on about why this is happening. I think the current emphasis on high-stakes standardized tests is partly to blame. When I started in this field, I would have lots of students ask how to study for a test. I still do, but I'm increasingly having students ask me how to take the test. That's a very different question. "By knowing the material" doesn't ever seem to be one of the strategies they've considered.

I'm not an expert on the subject, so I'm sure it's a complex and multifaceted problem. But the problem is real enough.

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Same reply to HS students.... QED Dec 2021 #1
Dear High School Student that is unhappy with the grades in my class: AZLD4Candidate Dec 2021 #2
What would you do about high school that has 1,000's Tree Lady Dec 2021 #49
I don't teach chemistry AZLD4Candidate Dec 2021 #53
There's always the race/religion/ethnicity card . . . Aussie105 Dec 2021 #3
Reponse to that: Report me. Say and spell my name right. Maybe I can AZLD4Candidate Dec 2021 #4
I've never had a student try to race/religion/ethnicity on me. cab67 Dec 2021 #6
I just pop back and say I'm Jewish and Native American, my wife is Chinese from China AZLD4Candidate Dec 2021 #9
I am glad to hear of this instructor's strict adherence to awarding the grades earned. It seems SWBTATTReg Dec 2021 #5
We can get in real trouble if we don't accept some level of inflation. cab67 Dec 2021 #15
Most of these seem appropraite. PTWB Dec 2021 #7
I have an explicit statute of limitations on my syllabus. cab67 Dec 2021 #16
I don't think that a statute of limitations in the syllabus really solves the problem. PTWB Dec 2021 #21
Based on my 25 years in this profession... cab67 Dec 2021 #25
Maybe it solves the problem in the sense that it reduces the inconvenience for you. PTWB Dec 2021 #26
I had an absolutely hard core professor this semester Sympthsical Dec 2021 #8
I had a law school contracts professor who had a thing for the statute of frauds. rsdsharp Dec 2021 #13
Like I said below- as long as the exams are fair DenaliDemocrat Dec 2021 #32
The other half of this guy's exam was, as I said, multiple choice. rsdsharp Dec 2021 #47
How are these entitled students going to function in jobs? yardwork Dec 2021 #34
With this caveat... druidity33 Dec 2021 #10
Please see the commentary I posted before this one. cab67 Dec 2021 #18
Yeah, i hadn't seen that thread... druidity33 Dec 2021 #27
"mental health" crew gonna drag you to hell and back greenjar_01 Dec 2021 #11
not necessarily cab67 Dec 2021 #19
Number four is the only one I take issue with FreeState Dec 2021 #12
Again... cab67 Dec 2021 #22
There's a difference between changing a grade - Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #24
So glad not to have to depend on a teacher to teach me lostnfound Dec 2021 #14
Hate to telegraph my age but arguing for a bump up was never an option for me when I was in college. halfulglas Dec 2021 #17
My daughter has heard variations of the following from her peers Generic Brad Dec 2021 #20
I'm at a public university cab67 Dec 2021 #23
She's at an Ivy League Generic Brad Dec 2021 #33
My son had a Statistics professor last semester helpisontheway Dec 2021 #28
out of curiosity - cab67 Dec 2021 #29
I mean that she knew that he worked helpisontheway Dec 2021 #30
Except for the "rude" part... cab67 Dec 2021 #35
As long as your tests are an assessment of material DenaliDemocrat Dec 2021 #31
I've had averages below 75 percent. cab67 Dec 2021 #36
Then you aren't making fair tests...sorry DenaliDemocrat Dec 2021 #38
I respectfully disagree. cab67 Dec 2021 #41
You're teaching stats, and ignore the data? DenaliDemocrat Dec 2021 #43
I don't teach stats. cab67 Dec 2021 #44
I guess p-values don't exist in paleontology ? DenaliDemocrat Dec 2021 #45
They do. cab67 Dec 2021 #46
The whole premise of your post DenaliDemocrat Dec 2021 #50
Have you actually seen my tests? cab67 Dec 2021 #51
My "arbitrary" insistence DenaliDemocrat Dec 2021 #52
"a smarter general population." cab67 Dec 2021 #54
Well, like I said - as a biochemist in the field DenaliDemocrat Dec 2021 #58
Your premise can also be rejected... cab67 Dec 2021 #57
First of all DenaliDemocrat Dec 2021 #63
well.....no cab67 Dec 2021 #65
I always dreaded the moments after I submitted grades online because my email tblue37 Dec 2021 #37
I'd ask you to be compassionate on #4 Happy Hoosier Dec 2021 #39
We are. cab67 Dec 2021 #40
I don't know where you teach... brooklynite Dec 2021 #42
What type of parents are involved at the grad school level? ecstatic Dec 2021 #64
The parents who are paying the bills for their children's tuition. brooklynite Dec 2021 #66
High schools are no longer preparing students for college level work FakeNoose Dec 2021 #48
I wouldn't assign grades if I didn't have to struggle4progress Dec 2021 #55
The cut-offs aren't always provided. Nor can they be. cab67 Dec 2021 #56
The best scheme I ever saw for cut-offs, in large multisection struggle4progress Dec 2021 #60
Yes. I turned in my grades yesteday. Straw Man Dec 2021 #59
I got a few free A grades XRubicon Dec 2021 #61
You are lucky Meowmee Dec 2021 #62
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