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Dorian Gray

(13,578 posts)
25. My husband and I went out to eat tonight
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 11:11 PM
Dec 2021

in Windsor Terrace in BK. We ate outside, and there was another couple a few tables from us. (Only two around.) They obviously knew the staff and were regulars bc they were talking with their waiter and having an argument about this very thing. They claimed they were both vaccinated but they believed it was your own choice. Waiter vehemently argued that as our hospitals are filling up, they unvaccinated should be not treated if hospitals were full. They were angry about that idea.

I am uncomfortable saying uniformly that they should not be treated, but prioritizing people who have the best chance of survival when hospitals are beyond full.... it's going to happen.

I am praying it doesn't happen here, but our local hospital (Methodist) is at 85% capacity with 25 covid patients and 5 available ICU beds. Woodhull is at 96%. Interfaith is at 89%. But luckily Brooklyn Hospital Center is only 50% and Maimonides at 69%. We have capacity here, but I'm worried about in two weeks.

(NY Times has a page that lists all our hospitals and how full they are and how many ICU beds are available. It's helpful if making a decision to go.)



There's just no way Maru Kitteh Dec 2021 #1
In CA, a prisoner demanded his "right" to a new heart. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2021 #44
In CA, a prisoner demanded his "right" to a new heart. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2021 #45
I second this idea. blueinredohio Dec 2021 #2
Mickey Mantle got a liver transplant. I don't necessarily disagree with you, rsdsharp Dec 2021 #3
So did Larry Hagman. nt BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #6
And David Crosby. n/t Mister Ed Dec 2021 #21
Wow, I didn't know that about him. BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #27
Alcohol and drugs. n/t ms liberty Dec 2021 #38
I researched it after I saw this thread. BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #49
You're right, I'd forgot the hep c. I didn't know about Phi, wow. n/t ms liberty Dec 2021 #51
I always presumed that he needed the transplant because of his severe chemical dependency, but... Mister Ed Dec 2021 #47
Yeah I had a friend who had a liver transplant because of hepatitis C. milestogo Dec 2021 #50
Ha, I posted before I saw your post! BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #53
rich alcoholics get them Demovictory9 Dec 2021 #10
If they come up as the number 1 match for the available donor organ. rsdsharp Dec 2021 #16
And Mantle kept drinking.... SergeStorms Dec 2021 #40
You personally knew Mickey Mantle? Do tell. rsdsharp Dec 2021 #52
Drinking in his restaurant... SergeStorms Dec 2021 #56
Rich alcoholics can probably get anything they need n/t leftstreet Dec 2021 #4
How about smokers? BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #5
Triage? empedocles Dec 2021 #8
We're talking about allocating scarce resources, not refusing care in order to be punitive. milestogo Dec 2021 #11
Ventilators are quite often used in heart operations. BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #12
Until its a scarce resource there's no need to choose. milestogo Dec 2021 #15
I live a pretty healthy life. BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #20
This isn't happening in a vacuum. milestogo Dec 2021 #22
I don't disagree with you on that. BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #26
I've often thought of that recently. My mother was in ICU and on a ventilator back in 2011 Rhiannon12866 Dec 2021 #32
I see alcoholism as a disease, not a choice Skittles Dec 2021 #7
No matter which one it is, they don't get liver transplants milestogo Dec 2021 #13
Yes, they do get liver transplants. Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #33
Uncontrolled alcoholism greatly reduces the chance Mariana Dec 2021 #14
yes, six months Skittles Dec 2021 #23
I know a doctor who doesn't think that alcoholism is a disease because the person can in2herbs Dec 2021 #36
my brother drank himself to death at age 45 Skittles Dec 2021 #39
My sister in law died of alcoholism and was also a kind, sweet, funny woman who I loved very much. CTyankee Dec 2021 #48
It is a slippery slope. But there ought to be some way to factor in poor choices or lifestyle. captain queeg Dec 2021 #9
Alcoholics do get liver transplants. Mariana Dec 2021 #17
Untrue... and when it is true, it isn't as punishment for bad choices FBaggins Dec 2021 #18
Some transplant centers will do them and others won't. milestogo Dec 2021 #19
Depends on the alcoholic; see for instance Mickey Mantle and George Best (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Dec 2021 #24
My husband and I went out to eat tonight Dorian Gray Dec 2021 #25
They should be called the Great Haters. They Hate Greatness because they lack it. nt live love laugh Dec 2021 #28
Separate Cherokee100 Dec 2021 #29
Care Teams and specialist support used for such patients diminishes and depletes care available Ford_Prefect Dec 2021 #30
Your title/premise is just plain wrong. Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #31
Triaging COVID Patients Has Already Been Done In Some Places GB_RN Dec 2021 #34
Agree, I would make antivaxxers sign an informed consent form radius777 Dec 2021 #35
So we are reopening Manzanar? hardluck Dec 2021 #43
Alcoholism also causes heart problems. AncientAndy Dec 2021 #37
That's different. Liberty Belle Dec 2021 #41
Ok so what if it's two vaccinated people and only one hospital bed? AncientAndy Dec 2021 #42
NIH says "it's unethical to refuse treatment to patients for diseases that are preventable" Bucky Dec 2021 #46
Mickey Mantle got one. BannonsLiver Dec 2021 #54
Miles, this is a fantastic post and a fantastic point. PTWB Dec 2021 #55
Republicans got their DEATH PANELS after all? Brainfodder Dec 2021 #57
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