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28. Interesting. That's exactly what the squad did

Reply to wellst0nev0ter (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:16 PM

Dec 2021

There’s zero evidence that Manchin was bluffing… and loads of proof that he wasn’t.

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The Squad was right to vote against infrastructure bill Part 3: Manchin a NO on BBB [View all] wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 OP

No. We would have been in same place but in it longer. boston bean Dec 2021 #1

And without the BIF FBaggins Dec 2021 #3

Leaving trillions of dollars on the table is NOT a savvy move wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #6

Yet that's what you're advocating FBaggins Dec 2021 #10

BIF would have passed anyway wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #13

Not as long as it was held hostage for the larger BBB FBaggins Dec 2021 #21

You put the bills on the floor, and force them to vote them down wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #23

Interesting. That's exactly what the squad did FBaggins Dec 2021 #28

Yes, and I explained the Squad's vote in the OP wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #32

Explained but not excused FBaggins Dec 2021 #45

Then make him vote against both BIF and BBB wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #48

There's that same mistake again FBaggins Dec 2021 #61

The leverage is the vote wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #63

Didn't you claim just the opposite with Pelosi? FBaggins Dec 2021 #73

Manchin represents a state BGBD Dec 2021 #77

Majority of West Virginians support BBB wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #78

No BGBD Dec 2021 #80

Show me your numbers wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #81

How about a real poll first? FBaggins Dec 2021 #85

Then get the polls wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #88

No you won't FBaggins Dec 2021 #91

Ok BGBD Dec 2021 #93

That's not a poll on BBB wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #96

False, WV is only 'red' on social issues radius777 Dec 2021 #122

There is no middle quakerboy Dec 2021 #108

That's nonsense... and just like Trump FBaggins Dec 2021 #113

The nonsense quakerboy Dec 2021 #117

Just went round and round with someone else on this. CrackityJones75 Dec 2021 #135

Why don't you contact Schumer about that? TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #65

Then I need your help wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #66

I'm not going to contact Senator Schumer TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #70

Then I will not hear another word about activism wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #79

ROTFL. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #94

But you just said you won't contact a senator wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #97

No, because I never joined you on your playing field. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #105

Yes, it would have. PTWB Dec 2021 #25

It's not even a "progressives versus moderate" fight? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #29

Some people call them moderates. PTWB Dec 2021 #33

Exactly. Without the BIF. The public fighting can be Nixie Dec 2021 #7

Lol qazplm135 Dec 2021 #55

Wrong. The money allocated is to some major employers, Nixie Dec 2021 #58

Yeah no qazplm135 Dec 2021 #64

Uh yes. There are major employers in there. Nixie Dec 2021 #67

Nice specificity there lol qazplm135 Dec 2021 #68

You should be honest. You don't want specifics because it Nixie Dec 2021 #69

Of course you won't qazplm135 Dec 2021 #90

Deja vu. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #84

Humans don't work that way qazplm135 Dec 2021 #95

aka fair-weather Democrats. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #106

Welp pal qazplm135 Dec 2021 #110

Similarly, progressives need moderates or they stand little chance of winning elections. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #127

You mean like Manchin did today right? qazplm135 Dec 2021 #129

The Squad only looked after their self-interests TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #130

But not Manchin qazplm135 Dec 2021 #132

You are welcome to have your opinion about Manchin. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #133

Lmao qazplm135 Dec 2021 #134

LMAO because I think the same thing about you and your comments. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #136

Yes empedocles Dec 2021 #15

A maximum pressure campaign on Manchinema would have gotten earlier passage wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #5

There isn't any evidence that supports your speculation. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #22

No other organization is this precious about keeping members in line wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #27

You will need to take that up with EarlG. His site, his rules. nt TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #52

Pray tell... what are these "tools"?? FBaggins Dec 2021 #75

This White House statement is a good start wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #76

What does the "Democratic Majority for Israel" have to do with pressuring Manchin. There are about JohnSJ Dec 2021 #31

What does the number of Jews have to do wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #36

You are the one who brought up using the "Democratic Majority for Israel", as a PAC against Manchin, JohnSJ Dec 2021 #41

You use every PAC in the Democratic apparatus against Manchin wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #46

Nothing stops those PACs from doing that now if they wanted to JohnSJ Dec 2021 #51

You are wasting your breath. They live in an alternate universe where grantcart Dec 2021 #9

In what universe wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #11

A universe where something gets passed FBaggins Dec 2021 #24

It turns out he was lying and stalling wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #26

Prove it FBaggins Dec 2021 #34

There is no bill wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #44

The progressives killed it FBaggins Dec 2021 #59

Okay, so this means we're pin the blame on progressives wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #62

What a cilla4progress Dec 2021 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #4

Squad supporters have been pilloried on this board. nt Hotler Dec 2021 #8

and end up passing nothing, because that is what would have happened. I fail to understand why some JohnSJ Dec 2021 #12

Manchin needed to pass BIF wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #16

There is no false narritive, this is what a 50-50 Senate is. Until we achieve at least a two seat JohnSJ Dec 2021 #37

This is the type of learned helplessness that we need to move on from wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #38

Wanting * Needing More Senate Seats Is Not A Sign Of Weakness Me. Dec 2021 #42

Did we have the votes or not. ismnotwasm Dec 2021 #47

Yes we did wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #49

We didn't have the cards to play FBaggins Dec 2021 #125

I would argue you have not presented one viable option that would get Manchin or Sinema to change JohnSJ Dec 2021 #50

It's been said before, but if Stein hadn't been on the ballot, those 1%ers would've stayed home. TheRickles Dec 2021 #83

Totally Agree Me. Dec 2021 #17

Disagree Me. Dec 2021 #14

Manchin needed to pass BIF wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #18

There is also no universe where Manchin will vote for the expanded programs in the BBB. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #30

He voted for the Rescue bill, which is just handouts to THOSE people wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #39

Who are you referring to with the emphasis on THOSE people? TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #56

Manchin has repeatedly explained who THOSE people were wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #57

+1. pressure tactics quite evidently have NOT worked stopdiggin Dec 2021 #53

When had we put Manchin's feet to the fire? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #60

the bills were de-coupled stopdiggin Dec 2021 #82

You don't decouple them wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #87

"NOT going to tank Biden's full agenda and become pariahs .." stopdiggin Dec 2021 #104

They were never coupled to begin with - that was always the mistaken fantasy FBaggins Dec 2021 #115

Manchinema wanted them decoupled wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #116

And they got that months ago FBaggins Dec 2021 #118

And handing them that concession got us where we are today wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #119

Laughable FBaggins Dec 2021 #121

A promise is not a vote... lame54 Dec 2021 #72

So now there is nothing.... Historic NY Dec 2021 #19

K&R WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2021 #20

Yup. Now, children will suffer and the planet will deteriorate until at least 2025 Fiendish Thingy Dec 2021 #35

Well, unless Manchin caves in, we shall see if the people who told me all we need to cruise to Celerity Dec 2021 #40

Agreed. nt DLevine Dec 2021 #43

I agree with their vote against BIF. David__77 Dec 2021 #54

But there should be a cost, a price he has to pay. calimary Dec 2021 #71

This is quite a pant load. BannonsLiver Dec 2021 #74

No it WAS the wrong move. We now have an infrastructure bill. oldsoftie Dec 2021 #86

BIF did not improve Biden's approval ratings at all wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #89

Well, exploding the debt is another bad move. oldsoftie Dec 2021 #98

BBB was fully paid for wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #99

Not a "right wing narrative", just a fact you dont like. CBO says it adds 160 billion. oldsoftie Dec 2021 #137

I suspect that BIF and BBB will only have a small impact on 2022 voters. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #101

You pass Biden's agenda to excite and turn out Dem midterm voters wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #103

Once again, I consider the conclusion that you reached to be erroneous and actually it is also TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #107

Here are the members of the Progressive Caucus wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #109

Yes, let's argue facts. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #120

Your post in question said "progressive candidate" wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #123

You're correct, I shouldn't have interchanged the Squad with progressives. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #126

Joe Mansion turns out to be a water boy for the wealthy...what a surprise, not. pecosbob Dec 2021 #92

The squad is either gets BBB or gets to be right. What clever political maneuvering. mathematic Dec 2021 #100

+1 TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #111

+++. Should have learned that in 2000, and because we didn't, 2016 changed the whole dynamic JohnSJ Dec 2021 #112

Lots of points made on this. Traildogbob Dec 2021 #102

Yes, and the only way to make them irrelevant is to gain at least a two seat majority in the Senate JohnSJ Dec 2021 #114

Manchin is the hero of a segment of white moderates radius777 Dec 2021 #124

So the Squad is disliked because of their own actions? TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #128

Oh, there's always a reason to somehow find a racial aspect for everything these days. oldsoftie Dec 2021 #138

True. n/t demmiblue Dec 2021 #131