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55. I'm afraid you're confusing fantasy with reality

Reply to WHITT (Reply #51)

Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:57 PM

Dec 2021

Feel free to cite the legislative language that allows a president to NOT execute the laws that Congress passes.

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why couldn't we find any leverage over Manchin [View all] TomDaisy Dec 2021 OP

Because the republicans are already using it liberal N proud Dec 2021 #1

Because he's set for life budkin Dec 2021 #2

He represents a state of Trump loving idiots. What are you going to do? dem4decades Dec 2021 #3

Except WHITT Dec 2021 #5

West Virginians support BBB if the wealthy pay for it. SMC22307 Dec 2021 #8

If this legislation were proposed by a Republican, West Virginia would be all for it Walleye Dec 2021 #13

So do other Democratic Senators berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #82

GA, AZ both voted for Biden. WV had the highest % Trump vote of any state. No comparison. dem4decades Dec 2021 #87

Extremely narrow margins and it is the same to these Senators berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #88

We Had Leverage WHITT Dec 2021 #4

Nope FBaggins Dec 2021 #7

Not According To Manchin WHITT Dec 2021 #15

Examples? FBaggins Dec 2021 #19

You were in my thread wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #20

You must have accidentally linked the wrong video FBaggins Dec 2021 #23

That was him campaigning on BIF before it was passed wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #25

So? FBaggins Dec 2021 #27

He only had power if we continued to negotiate wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #28

Nope FBaggins Dec 2021 #30

That's why you hold the BIF before the BBB wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #31

Never heard of a discharge petition? FBaggins Dec 2021 #33

The Senate has a discharge petition? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #34

It does... but that wasn't where the BIF was held up FBaggins Dec 2021 #36

Check again, the Senate does not have a discharge petition wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #37

I didn't say it was the same as the House FBaggins Dec 2021 #44

You know how we couldn't pass popular gun legislation wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #47

Pretty certain that the reference was to the House discharge petition procedure onenote Dec 2021 #38

And Manchin is where? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #39

Again I think the point was BIF was going to come to a vote sooner or later onenote Dec 2021 #40

Yeah, but not in the Senate wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #41

I'll try one more time: onenote Dec 2021 #42

Then it's the job of the Senate to hold the BIF wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #46

BIF had already passed the Senate when it came to the House. onenote Dec 2021 #48

Okay, let me rephrase: wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #50

You keep mistaking manufactured leverage for the real thing FBaggins Dec 2021 #57

Manchin once floated a $4 trillion BBB bill wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #65

Wrong on both counts FBaggins Dec 2021 #69

But WHITT Dec 2021 #71

So why do you think she didn't do that? onenote Dec 2021 #77

Because WHITT Dec 2021 #90

No, we would have got nothing and been blamed...either way, we had no leverage... Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #81

As I Previuosly Posted WHITT Dec 2021 #24

Laughable FBaggins Dec 2021 #29

Of Course WHITT Dec 2021 #45

And yet that great big beautiful wall never got built FBaggins Dec 2021 #49

I'm Afraid WHITT Dec 2021 #51

I'm afraid you are unaware of the Impoundment Control Act of 19 onenote Dec 2021 #54

Sorry WHITT Dec 2021 #72

I'm afraid you're confusing fantasy with reality FBaggins Dec 2021 #55

Again WHITT Dec 2021 #73

You can't back that up either FBaggins Dec 2021 #75

OOF! WHITT Dec 2021 #92

No he didn't...he would have been just as happy to blame us for its failure... the idea of holding Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #83

You've Been Dead Wrong At Every Step WHITT Dec 2021 #91

Manchin needed nothing...he was perfectly willing to blame us for the infrastructure bill failure Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #96

Unbelievable WHITT Dec 2021 #99

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2021 #67

Now that's an interesting question that raises another one FBaggins Dec 2021 #6

If the leverage involved a threat to his financial well being dflprincess Dec 2021 #9

We'd have to somehow divest him of his coal income... Wounded Bear Dec 2021 #10

It wasn't a yes or no question FBaggins Dec 2021 #11

Ask Lindsey Graham Walleye Dec 2021 #12

I have a bad habit of reading too quickly dflprincess Dec 2021 #14

I think you're right. So now we apply that and ask... FBaggins Dec 2021 #16

maybe because we don't have any qazplm135 Dec 2021 #17

EpiPen - nt Diablo del sol Dec 2021 #18

I see that as a great route. Manchin's kid is screwing people badly. nt Progressive Jones Dec 2021 #64

So we are supposed to go after someone's kids as a Congress and a Party? She is in for forties... Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #84

Neuter Manchin in 22. Elect more Dem senators. Sneederbunk Dec 2021 #21

What states can we win more Senate seats in?...maybe Pennsylvania...but that is not a sure thing. Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #85

Wisconsin, Ohio, PA, NC. Missouri and Florida should be in play. Sneederbunk Dec 2021 #89

We are not going to win Missouri first of all and Ohio is a long shot as well. We haven't won Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #97

All we had to do was stand firm on social spending wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #22

You don't understand...hanging tough will get us nowhere and it never has...name one time this Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #86

We did compromise with Manchin wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #94

I suppose you refer to the bill that should never have been held hostage in the first place... Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #95

Because we haven't figured out how to reanimate xmas74 Dec 2021 #26

When LBJ was president onenote Dec 2021 #35

I'm not by any means ignoring the environment surrounding xmas74 Dec 2021 #43

But those tricks only work if you have the numbers. AncientAndy Dec 2021 #58

It depends on the threat,doesn't it? xmas74 Dec 2021 #59

What's to stop Manchin from making threats back? AncientAndy Dec 2021 #60

Manchin gets what he wants through leverage of his seat. xmas74 Dec 2021 #62

LBJ looked like he would belt a Senator for disagreeing Polybius Dec 2021 #66

But he couldn't convince that senator to vote for the civil rights act. betsuni Dec 2021 #74

LBJ or Biden? Polybius Dec 2021 #93

Can you cite a reliable source to back up your claims? onenote Dec 2021 #78

+1, true uponit7771 Dec 2021 #68

LBJ's intellect and ruthlessness are exactly what we need, right now. (nt) Paladin Dec 2021 #98

Because he's from a state that is solidly red onenote Dec 2021 #32

and now, with his blocking of the BBB and of the voter rights bills, he will help the entire nation Celerity Dec 2021 #53

True. But he holds those cards onenote Dec 2021 #56

i have never once advocated him leaving the caucus, nor have I ever advocated primarying him. Celerity Dec 2021 #63

TFG still manages to totally control Republicans while he is doc03 Dec 2021 #52

He has high approval numbers in his state. The majority are republicans and they love that he is Earth-shine Dec 2021 #61

Because he gets Sgent Dec 2021 #70

I explained this in a post yesterday morning, but my post was removed. nt Roisin Ni Fiachra Dec 2021 #76

We have none...we were lucky to get anything. I thank God that at least we got infrastructure Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #80