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78. Can you cite a reliable source to back up your claims?

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 10:38 AM

Dec 2021

Yes, LBJ used bullying as well as flattery to get his way with some members of Congress. His threats were of political retaliation or retribution.

Can you give any example of where LBJ threatened to reveal something personally embarrassing about a member as a way to change their position on a vote? And can you cite any historian for the claim that LBJ had "a dossier on every member of the House and Senate"?

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why couldn't we find any leverage over Manchin [View all] TomDaisy Dec 2021 OP

Because the republicans are already using it liberal N proud Dec 2021 #1

Because he's set for life budkin Dec 2021 #2

He represents a state of Trump loving idiots. What are you going to do? dem4decades Dec 2021 #3

Except WHITT Dec 2021 #5

West Virginians support BBB if the wealthy pay for it. SMC22307 Dec 2021 #8

If this legislation were proposed by a Republican, West Virginia would be all for it Walleye Dec 2021 #13

So do other Democratic Senators berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #82

GA, AZ both voted for Biden. WV had the highest % Trump vote of any state. No comparison. dem4decades Dec 2021 #87

Extremely narrow margins and it is the same to these Senators berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #88

We Had Leverage WHITT Dec 2021 #4

Nope FBaggins Dec 2021 #7

Not According To Manchin WHITT Dec 2021 #15

Examples? FBaggins Dec 2021 #19

You were in my thread wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #20

You must have accidentally linked the wrong video FBaggins Dec 2021 #23

That was him campaigning on BIF before it was passed wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #25

So? FBaggins Dec 2021 #27

He only had power if we continued to negotiate wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #28

Nope FBaggins Dec 2021 #30

That's why you hold the BIF before the BBB wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #31

Never heard of a discharge petition? FBaggins Dec 2021 #33

The Senate has a discharge petition? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #34

It does... but that wasn't where the BIF was held up FBaggins Dec 2021 #36

Check again, the Senate does not have a discharge petition wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #37

I didn't say it was the same as the House FBaggins Dec 2021 #44

You know how we couldn't pass popular gun legislation wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #47

Pretty certain that the reference was to the House discharge petition procedure onenote Dec 2021 #38

And Manchin is where? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #39

Again I think the point was BIF was going to come to a vote sooner or later onenote Dec 2021 #40

Yeah, but not in the Senate wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #41

I'll try one more time: onenote Dec 2021 #42

Then it's the job of the Senate to hold the BIF wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #46

BIF had already passed the Senate when it came to the House. onenote Dec 2021 #48

Okay, let me rephrase: wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #50

You keep mistaking manufactured leverage for the real thing FBaggins Dec 2021 #57

Manchin once floated a $4 trillion BBB bill wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #65

Wrong on both counts FBaggins Dec 2021 #69

But WHITT Dec 2021 #71

So why do you think she didn't do that? onenote Dec 2021 #77

Because WHITT Dec 2021 #90

No, we would have got nothing and been blamed...either way, we had no leverage... Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #81

As I Previuosly Posted WHITT Dec 2021 #24

Laughable FBaggins Dec 2021 #29

Of Course WHITT Dec 2021 #45

And yet that great big beautiful wall never got built FBaggins Dec 2021 #49

I'm Afraid WHITT Dec 2021 #51

I'm afraid you are unaware of the Impoundment Control Act of 19 onenote Dec 2021 #54

Sorry WHITT Dec 2021 #72

I'm afraid you're confusing fantasy with reality FBaggins Dec 2021 #55

Again WHITT Dec 2021 #73

You can't back that up either FBaggins Dec 2021 #75

OOF! WHITT Dec 2021 #92

No he didn't...he would have been just as happy to blame us for its failure... the idea of holding Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #83

You've Been Dead Wrong At Every Step WHITT Dec 2021 #91

Manchin needed nothing...he was perfectly willing to blame us for the infrastructure bill failure Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #96

Unbelievable WHITT Dec 2021 #99

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2021 #67

Now that's an interesting question that raises another one FBaggins Dec 2021 #6

If the leverage involved a threat to his financial well being dflprincess Dec 2021 #9

We'd have to somehow divest him of his coal income... Wounded Bear Dec 2021 #10

It wasn't a yes or no question FBaggins Dec 2021 #11

Ask Lindsey Graham Walleye Dec 2021 #12

I have a bad habit of reading too quickly dflprincess Dec 2021 #14

I think you're right. So now we apply that and ask... FBaggins Dec 2021 #16

maybe because we don't have any qazplm135 Dec 2021 #17

EpiPen - nt Diablo del sol Dec 2021 #18

I see that as a great route. Manchin's kid is screwing people badly. nt Progressive Jones Dec 2021 #64

So we are supposed to go after someone's kids as a Congress and a Party? She is in for forties... Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #84

Neuter Manchin in 22. Elect more Dem senators. Sneederbunk Dec 2021 #21

What states can we win more Senate seats in?...maybe Pennsylvania...but that is not a sure thing. Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #85

Wisconsin, Ohio, PA, NC. Missouri and Florida should be in play. Sneederbunk Dec 2021 #89

We are not going to win Missouri first of all and Ohio is a long shot as well. We haven't won Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #97

All we had to do was stand firm on social spending wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #22

You don't understand...hanging tough will get us nowhere and it never has...name one time this Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #86

We did compromise with Manchin wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #94

I suppose you refer to the bill that should never have been held hostage in the first place... Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #95

Because we haven't figured out how to reanimate xmas74 Dec 2021 #26

When LBJ was president onenote Dec 2021 #35

I'm not by any means ignoring the environment surrounding xmas74 Dec 2021 #43

But those tricks only work if you have the numbers. AncientAndy Dec 2021 #58

It depends on the threat,doesn't it? xmas74 Dec 2021 #59

What's to stop Manchin from making threats back? AncientAndy Dec 2021 #60

Manchin gets what he wants through leverage of his seat. xmas74 Dec 2021 #62

LBJ looked like he would belt a Senator for disagreeing Polybius Dec 2021 #66

But he couldn't convince that senator to vote for the civil rights act. betsuni Dec 2021 #74

LBJ or Biden? Polybius Dec 2021 #93

Can you cite a reliable source to back up your claims? onenote Dec 2021 #78

+1, true uponit7771 Dec 2021 #68

LBJ's intellect and ruthlessness are exactly what we need, right now. (nt) Paladin Dec 2021 #98

Because he's from a state that is solidly red onenote Dec 2021 #32

and now, with his blocking of the BBB and of the voter rights bills, he will help the entire nation Celerity Dec 2021 #53

True. But he holds those cards onenote Dec 2021 #56

i have never once advocated him leaving the caucus, nor have I ever advocated primarying him. Celerity Dec 2021 #63

TFG still manages to totally control Republicans while he is doc03 Dec 2021 #52

He has high approval numbers in his state. The majority are republicans and they love that he is Earth-shine Dec 2021 #61

Because he gets Sgent Dec 2021 #70

I explained this in a post yesterday morning, but my post was removed. nt Roisin Ni Fiachra Dec 2021 #76

We have none...we were lucky to get anything. I thank God that at least we got infrastructure Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #80