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73. She was not justified in pulling her weapon, it wasn't needed and no other officer pulled their

Fri Dec 24, 2021, 01:03 PM

Dec 2021

... weapon for 9 seconds while she yelled taser.

That's a lynch pin for me, the other LEOs didn't see Dante as a threat and after she fired the weapon she didn't even check on the other LEOs making her on the stand explanation of concern less credible.

This was a good outcome and looking at the fact that she didn't have to pull the weapon (she could've just let Dante run off, no need for near lethal or lethal force), none of the other LEOs pulled weapons and she didn't check on the LEOs she was trying to protect afterwards.

The pulling over being justified isn't factored in my decision seeing there are too me "cover charges" for LEOs to credibly pull over a car.

What's clearly factored is the need to pull a weapon in the first place, she never justified that to me looking at the full picture.

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The sacrifice of Kim Potter is the price we pay to maintain a civilized society [View all] Shermann Dec 2021 OP

Kim Potter is not the sacrifice in this scenario. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2021 #1

Sacrifice?? Maybe another word would work better to describe Kim Potter. Ferrets are Cool Dec 2021 #2

She's not a criminal in the traditional sense. She's not a threat. Shermann Dec 2021 #10

Neither was Muhammod Noor who was convicted of murder for similar situation. Nah, we need ... uponit7771 Dec 2021 #23

See post #67 Shermann Dec 2021 #69

Saw it, false equivalence based on even some of the facts Potter admits to. uponit7771 Dec 2021 #70

tell that to Daunte Wright Celerity Dec 2021 #25

What is a criminal "in the traditional sense"? WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2021 #41

Not a threat? CrackityJones75 Dec 2021 #45

Well, you are absolutely correct in that surmise... PCIntern Dec 2021 #59

That was very well said. CrackityJones75 Dec 2021 #62

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2021 #74

Bull crap Ferrets are Cool Dec 2021 #60

She literally killed someone completely unnecessarily Withywindle Dec 2021 #101

I agree iemanja Dec 2021 #80

Also, cops do not maintain a "civilized society." WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2021 #3

That's not the position stated here nt Shermann Dec 2021 #7

I don't consider her being held to account a "sacrifice." Had she not been a cop but had behaved hlthe2b Dec 2021 #4

If it was sensory overload due to adrenaline and other factors, then it wasn't really reckless Shermann Dec 2021 #6

The jury disagrees with you. yardwork Dec 2021 #9

This is a fact Shermann Dec 2021 #12

Police have pushed this line for decades to justify indefensible shootings. I find your argument hlthe2b Dec 2021 #16

My assertion: "a clearly unjustified shooting" Shermann Dec 2021 #21

I am stating the conclusion of your assertions, which are, according to the use-of-force expert in hlthe2b Dec 2021 #24

It was really negligent, all the shit she could've done BEFORE she pulled her weapon spells that uponit7771 Dec 2021 #18

People who suffer that kind of "sensory overload" shouldn't be cops... hunter Dec 2021 #29

Cops do simulation training Shermann Dec 2021 #42

I don't agree. DiamondShark Dec 2021 #104

This is true NowISeetheLight Dec 2021 #106

It wasn't negligent to use the wrong tool for the job? CrackityJones75 Dec 2021 #47

+1, not only that but even she indicated she shouldn't have pulled a weapon at all and just let uponit7771 Dec 2021 #52

Exactly. CrackityJones75 Dec 2021 #55

Wasn't she the head of the POA? multigraincracker Dec 2021 #5

What is a POA? Delmette2.0 Dec 2021 #20

Police Officer Association. multigraincracker Dec 2021 #28

Thank you. Delmette2.0 Dec 2021 #31

My fault, I have a hard time multigraincracker Dec 2021 #32

Um, what? yardwork Dec 2021 #8

Don't think of it as a "sacrifice," consider it a deterrent. sop Dec 2021 #11

Oh, FFS. Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #13

Was "sacrifice" used with Mohamed Noor? No ... well, there it is then uponit7771 Dec 2021 #14

Poor nice white lady. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2021 #15

I know, right?! yardwork Dec 2021 #17

+1, just found out Noor's murder conviction was OVERTURNED !! He got murder for similar uponit7771 Dec 2021 #19

Nailed it! CrackityJones75 Dec 2021 #48

That's one possible comparison Shermann Dec 2021 #67

False equivalence, Potter in this case shouldn't have been in aforementioned car in first place or uponit7771 Dec 2021 #68

OK now see post #71 Shermann Dec 2021 #72

I agree with the verdict but find the whole thing tragic, including for her. femmedem Dec 2021 #22

She made bad decisions BEFORE pulling the weapon is the reason she SHOULD go to jail. After she uponit7771 Dec 2021 #27

This! CrackityJones75 Dec 2021 #51

I do agree that he should never have been pulled over in the first place femmedem Dec 2021 #65

This has been mentioned several times in this thread Shermann Dec 2021 #71

She was not justified in pulling her weapon, it wasn't needed and no other officer pulled their uponit7771 Dec 2021 #73

Ah, also it looks like there was a "use of force expert" that says that pulling a weapon wasn't ... uponit7771 Dec 2021 #75

A cop pulling a taser is almost a non-event Shermann Dec 2021 #76

That bar is irrelevant, it wasn't needed because the weapon wasn't needed and no other LEOs for 9 uponit7771 Dec 2021 #77

Maybe the situation only called for one taser Shermann Dec 2021 #79

According to use of force officer it didn't call for any taser, I don't think that fact can be talke uponit7771 Dec 2021 #81

Sorry, there isn't agreement that this wasn't an accident Shermann Dec 2021 #83

We agree on the fact that 1. a use of force officer said she didn't need to pull a weapon 2. no ... uponit7771 Dec 2021 #87

Those are really just talking points for the prosecution Shermann Dec 2021 #88

They can be both relevant fact and talking points for prosecution no? I mean if I was prosecution uponit7771 Dec 2021 #89

It's not relevant to me Shermann Dec 2021 #90

She's guilty of gross negligence for needlessly escalating a situation. Muhamad Noor was too ... uponit7771 Dec 2021 #93

There were only three officers present NowISeetheLight Dec 2021 #105

Not true Mary in S. Carolina Dec 2021 #99

Not that similar Zeitghost Dec 2021 #98

"Potter mistakenly drew a gun .." she should not have drawn ANYTHING it wasn't called for and she .. uponit7771 Dec 2021 #102

Most cops don't have the temperament or the skills to use guns appropriately. hunter Dec 2021 #26

I don't know if it applies in this case or not but CrackityJones75 Dec 2021 #54

"who has not demonstrated a criminal mindset or likeliness to remain a threat" marmar Dec 2021 #30

Police have greater powers than everyone else, so multigraincracker Dec 2021 #33

I agree with that Shermann Dec 2021 #39

So are doctors. They carry special insurance. CrackityJones75 Dec 2021 #56

She was NOT sacrificed. Justice was served. Nuff said MoonRiver Dec 2021 #34

Sounds like she's your Ashley babbit Fullduplexxx Dec 2021 #35

Boom! CrackityJones75 Dec 2021 #57

SHE. KILLED. A. HUMAN. BEING. greenjar_01 Dec 2021 #36

Amazing. CrackityJones75 Dec 2021 #58

I recall reading that one of the jurors was very emotional when the verdict was read. Jedi Guy Dec 2021 #37

I was certain this would result in a hung jury Shermann Dec 2021 #50

I find it very sad. One life ended. One life ruined. Minnesota Tomconroy Dec 2021 #38

There will never be any proof, but I believe she knew exactly what she was doing. marie999 Dec 2021 #40

I envy you for finding solace in that nt Shermann Dec 2021 #46

:) I find solace in the tight constraints the legal system Hortensis Dec 2021 #64

It was nine seconds NowISeetheLight Dec 2021 #107

Sacrifice? WTF? CrackityJones75 Dec 2021 #43

"Sacrifice?" Cringe thread leftstreet Dec 2021 #44

She was no "sacrifice." Jirel Dec 2021 #49

You sort of smuggled that "feelings of invulnerability in your gang" bit in there nt Shermann Dec 2021 #82

Whether she INTENDED to kill was not an issue in this trial. Hortensis Dec 2021 #53

Precisely. Normal citizens go to prison for accidents every day. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2021 #84

Right. For criminally negligent accidents. Driver Hortensis Dec 2021 #96

And yet, Daunte Wright is still dead. Shot by a cop who did not MineralMan Dec 2021 #61

Kim Potter is an example of a police officer being held accountable peggysue2 Dec 2021 #63

No, a charge and conviction of 2nd degree murder would have been better. marie999 Dec 2021 #78

+1, "reckless negligence" ... she didn't have to pull a weapon at all uponit7771 Dec 2021 #85

Sensory Overload? What threat? A scented Christmas tree? Mary in S. Carolina Dec 2021 #66

+1, just found out Use of Force Expert said she didn't need to pull a weapon and no other LEO uponit7771 Dec 2021 #91

Here's Kim Potter at another shooting of a black man, telling cops to turn off their cameras Swede Dec 2021 #86

How did "don't talk to each other" and "separate squad cars"... NowISeetheLight Dec 2021 #108

I landed somewhere in your vicinity Sympthsical Dec 2021 #92

She needlessly escalated the situation, I can look at that fact BEFORE she pulled a weapon and say uponit7771 Dec 2021 #94

What's what I was referring to Sympthsical Dec 2021 #95

Well said Shermann Dec 2021 #97

Shermann, if you "don't get it" Mary in S. Carolina Dec 2021 #100

All crimes require criminal intent (aside from strict liability crimes like statutory rape). Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #103