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In reply to the discussion: Check out what Michael Moore has just posted on his FB page... [View all]limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)267. Climate change is not going to "get in the closet" during election season.
The post is a cut and paste of MM's facebook graphic, with a lame ass last-minute exhortation at the bottom to "persuade" the unthinking masses to believe that "sharing" MM's little tout would make a damn bit of difference, MOMENTS before the debate started. Pssst--in case you're unclear, all the clicking in the world would have ZERO effect on the questions the moderator asked.
He's allowed to share stuff on facebook. He sometimes tweets and shares items of interest to a certain community of people. I was doing the same stuff yesterday. "We" have been complaining for weeks about climate change being left out of the debates (We = people who do that stuff). It was at least 5 hours before the debate. But we had all been doing it for weeks. But "they" still ignored us (they = the deciders).
Perhaps you missed the line in the OP that said: Click SHARE to help end the silence at the final debate, tonight!
No Ma'am I've seen it.
Did you do your little bit and eagerly click "share?" Did you encourage your buddies to do likewise?
Yes I clicked it.
Was that silence ended last night? No? Oh, dear. What happened? Why didn't it work?
The deciders ignored our pleas to discuss climate change because we have no power.
... He certainly didn't help the cause of environmental activism with that halfassed little graphic, but he certainly managed to insert himself into the orbit of facebookers who both lean left and watch the debates...
Inserting himself? You mean he is doing some self-serving publicity stunt. That would not bother me anyway. I hope MM makes a climate movie that exposes the scandal of excluding this issue from the Presidential election campaign. It is a scandal of epic proportions.
--pity the ones who clicked, many of them, are so low-info that they probably think Bob Schieffer was checking MM's FB page moments before he took the stage with the President and the Pretender. WHY, oh why did Bob ignore our mighty roar?
I doubt anybody thinks that. Funny imagery. Every faction has its low info voters From my interactions with environmentalists, they are more informed than most.
And now, since so many have eagerly "shared" MM's lame little graphic, he's got their names. He's in their orbit, and they are in his. They aren't necessarily MM "supporters"--but they lean left and care about the environment--so they very well could be his "customers." What are movie tickets going for these days? And those DVD sales, those are moneymakers too. He knows now just where to go to make that sale, to tout the latest "product!" It'll save him a bundle in future advertising costs!
Good. More power to him. I hope he gets the biggest email list ever and uses it to promote his movies. Oh and like that's not the same type of practices that political parties engage in.
And hey, there's always money to be made "speaking truth to power" and "tilting at windmills" and "getting up in 'the man's' face"--which are practices MM excels at, and, lucky him, he knows how to target his advertising for his next big opus--he's got the NAMES.
Good I hope he gets all the money and power and buys a couple Senators.
Guys like MM, who shit on people like Al Gore, aren't my idea of BFF's for the Democratic Party.
Who wants to be it's BFF anyway? It doesn't even talk about climate change in the debates. Anyway despite having not supported the year 2000 version of Al Gore and the Gore-Lieberman ticket, he did support the New and Improved version of Al Gore. Remember Gore grew a beard and then got all progressive? Then he made An Inconvenient Truth and gave that awesome speech about Abu Graib. That really was not the same policy platform we saw running in 2000.
You're free to do likewise with mine, of course, and I'm sure you will.
ok whatevs. I'm not even sure what I'm registered as really. It's not like a major commitment to "be a Democrat" in the US. There's no oath.
Finally, since you plainly don't "get" my POV, I will once again state that I think a conversation on climate change would have been very helpful in the course of this campaign. I just don't want to hear a load of "too little/too late" datamining from the likes of the guy who fucked over the Democratic Party's standard bearer on environmental issues in the 2000 election. It's quite craven from my perspective, because I'm not drinking MM's Koolaid and see him for what he is--a guy who has some admirably liberal views on one hand, and the fingers of his other hand very firmly on his own bottom line.
Al Gore really wasn't a big environmental standard bearer in 2000. He didn't run on it as a central issue. MM was on the wrong side of that election but so were alot of good people. He has since said that would support Al Gore should he run again (http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=2738) or something close to that.
My points:
It's time to stop diddling on climate change.
Climate change is not going to "get in the closet" during election season. (i know you didn't suggest that)
Michael Moore is a great follow on twitter.
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I think the only context for oil in a "Foreign Policy" debate will be in the context of WAR.
MADem
Oct 2012
#11
Get over yourself--I wasn't linking to the article, I was linking to the PICTURE.
MADem
Oct 2012
#68
Looks like you don't know much about MM and have fallen for the multi million dollar
sabrina 1
Oct 2012
#145
First you say I don't make any sense, then you want me to do your homework for you.
MADem
Oct 2012
#179
He isn't affecting my vote for Obama. He's only harming himself, in my opinion.
Zalatix
Oct 2012
#181
Put your little gun away. Your misrepresentation is deliberate, obvious, and tiresome.
MADem
Oct 2012
#126
You apparently have no choice but to retreat to personal insults and invective,
ronnie624
Oct 2012
#142
Just *saying* your words are consistent with the facts doesn't mean that they are.
ronnie624
Oct 2012
#162
I'm entirely calm--you're the one playing tag team wrestling with your little friend.
MADem
Oct 2012
#172
You chase me all over this thread, and you try to incite a pile-on in very uncivil fashion.
MADem
Oct 2012
#203
I only respond when you write yet another falsehood about my perspective or person.
MADem
Oct 2012
#216
I already know peace. Michael Moore was not wrong. Not one thing he said was wrong.
Zalatix
Oct 2012
#298
Who save you said he was "wrong?" Stop making thing up -- it is so easy to see that's what you are
MADem
Oct 2012
#303
Keep your charity--you plainly need it. And no, my opinions are grounded in facts. nt
MADem
Oct 2012
#333
That's because MaDem has been nailed right to the wall. A temper tantrum was to be expected.
Zalatix
Oct 2012
#148
What misrepresentations? I am totally correct in saying you are shooting the messenger.
Zalatix
Oct 2012
#147
I cited your personal attacks. My claims are proven. You don't have counter examples.
Zalatix
Oct 2012
#325
I am right and you are wrong. My cites are all true and logical. And you have no counter facts.
Zalatix
Oct 2012
#330
Here you go again - denying the facts. I hereby cite the proof that you instigate insults.
Zalatix
Oct 2012
#307
Get a grip. Really. That's not a personal attack, either--it's a genuine concern with regard to
MADem
Oct 2012
#338
It's a personal attack. And concern for others' well being? Physician, heal thyself.
Zalatix
Oct 2012
#339
No.. this was the LAST debate before the election--3 Presidential & one VP--done
hlthe2b
Oct 2012
#51
Please allow me to add that he made movies exposing the establishment--the 1%
savannah43
Oct 2012
#252
So then you agree climate change should have been addressed in the debates?
limpyhobbler
Oct 2012
#106
So you actually agree with the idea, but just think it should get in the closet until later.
limpyhobbler
Oct 2012
#116
Your point: 1) Don't bring up climate change right now. 2) Michael Moore is a lard ass.
limpyhobbler
Oct 2012
#139
The point of the thread was not that--it was to highlight MM's "moments before the last debate"
MADem
Oct 2012
#222
Climate change is not going to "get in the closet" during election season.
limpyhobbler
Oct 2012
#267
It never came out of the closet, or its Barcolounger, or where ever it is hanging, no thanks to MM.
MADem
Oct 2012
#277
What is the reason climate change was not discussed during the Presidential election?
limpyhobbler
Oct 2012
#281
Michael Moore is NOT late to the issue. He's been talking about Climate Change for
sabrina 1
Oct 2012
#238
So now you know what a majority of Democrats are thinking because they do and
sabrina 1
Oct 2012
#259
Just because I think Michael Moore is a craven opportunist doesn't mean I don't think that
MADem
Oct 2012
#32
He won't have any "brilliant" topics unless he's got a "W" or a "RMoney" to crab about.
MADem
Oct 2012
#39
Is everyone who makes money from their own talents, politicians eg, artists,
sabrina 1
Oct 2012
#243
I like the way he talks. He talks about the issues I care about as a Democrat.
sabrina 1
Oct 2012
#271
Al Gore and Hunter Lovins do a much better job. And they don't just articulate problems.
MADem
Oct 2012
#280
I didn't miss a thing. You did. And your comments continue to reveal your nature. nt
MADem
Oct 2012
#283
I can certainly understand why many trivialize the person without addressing the message itself
LanternWaste
Oct 2012
#54
You need to look up the word "largess"--because it does not mean what you think it means.
MADem
Oct 2012
#134
Wrong, he addressed the issue of charity after he was attacked by the money poured into
sabrina 1
Oct 2012
#165
As much as I am entrenched in environmental activism, it's my career practically...
NYC_SKP
Oct 2012
#176
Wow--I've only read her stuff. Hell, I don't touch scotch but I'd buy her a barrel for an
MADem
Oct 2012
#285
Well, I'm sure you'll provide us with links to all of his "discussing" over the years.
MADem
Oct 2012
#138
I'm not the one desperately trying to "prove" that MM's interest in this issue isn't recent.
MADem
Oct 2012
#214
Ad hominem attacks and invective, as usual, lurching from one non sequitur to another. n/t
ronnie624
Oct 2012
#96
Anyone else but me notice how MADem COMPLETELY AVOIDED Michael Moore's message
Zalatix
Oct 2012
#118
I didn't completely avoid it at all--and it isn't his message--he stole it--from Al Gore.
MADem
Oct 2012
#124
FWIW, when a segment of Democrats were itching for a primary challenge to Obama, MM said
merrily
Oct 2012
#201
You see that really doesn't matter because there is a certain part of The Party
limpyhobbler
Oct 2012
#221
LOL I wasn't comparing AG to MM, I was showing how similar your spin is to Faux'
Turborama
Oct 2012
#115
MM did not "slap together" the graphic, it was a share from 350.org's FB page
Turborama
Oct 2012
#278
I provided a link which takes you to his FB page, it's not my fault that you didn't click on it
Turborama
Oct 2012
#361
I am no expert, but I understood what you describe to be a "share" not a "post."
MADem
Oct 2012
#364
I didn't insist you "need" to use FB & "must" click on the link. However, your failure to click =
Turborama
Oct 2012
#391
Sorry, I think you're the captain of the ship. It was, after all, YOUR subject line.
MADem
Oct 2012
#396
You lit the boilers and steered it towards shore. You set the course. It's yours, Captain.
MADem
Oct 2012
#406
Trouble is, you've been relying on a sextant and slide rule, while I expected you to use gps
Turborama
Oct 2012
#407
He did NOT take 12 years to speak out about the environment. Where are you getting
sabrina 1
Oct 2012
#245
He doesn't need more money. He's not a multinational corporation, he's a human.
MessiahRp
Oct 2012
#255
It's actually a pretty big subset.. I'd say you yourself are among only a very few
sabrina 1
Oct 2012
#323
Well, the pundits differ. They said the F911 opus did more harm to Kerry than good--and I believe
MADem
Oct 2012
#326
you tell MessiahRp to grow up yet MessiahRp is not the one having a temper tantrum
leftyohiolib
Oct 2012
#50
Well, if he's fat, I guess that does it. Don't anyone listen to a word a fat person has
sabrina 1
Oct 2012
#161
"I don't call him fat, though--you do. Everyone else is doing it here, too."
Shining Jack
Oct 2012
#374
Yeah Moore's issues: Health Care Reform, Corporate Greed... these are not "important".
MessiahRp
Oct 2012
#348
He's an American citizen who saw the lies being told by the Bush administration
sabrina 1
Oct 2012
#413
You are entitled to your opinion about the guy. As am I. I am an American citizen, too.
MADem
Oct 2012
#414
I'm donating, volunteering and voting, and, now, thanks to this, not sleeping!
mountain grammy
Oct 2012
#209
great post. That video was probably the best commercial so far this year.
limpyhobbler
Oct 2012
#295
Not exactly on topic, but I don't think FDR waited for anyone to make him do anything.
merrily
Oct 2012
#199
Lots of issues weren't discussed because Romney refused to get specific on anything
stevenleser
Oct 2012
#63
And once we talk about this, there's another bigger topic behind it that we have to get to.
Gregorian
Oct 2012
#141
Then why is the cost of oil soaring? Here in Southern Ca it is nearly $5.00 a gal. So
sabrina 1
Oct 2012
#244
Wow. Somebody has gone insane on this thread, and it ain't Michael Moore.
Comrade Grumpy
Oct 2012
#289
Warren is in a tight contest. It's starting to get very dirty on the Brown side.
MADem
Oct 2012
#360
Climate of Doubt also gave a platform to the people who say that climate change isn't real.
MADem
Oct 2012
#311
That was the most depressing Frontline EVER! Ayn Rand, CATO, David Koch . . . .
SleeplessinSoCal
Oct 2012
#319
It came on in my market this evening--I had to change the channel. I had the same reaction you did.
MADem
Oct 2012
#332
There may be a linchpin that would collapse the whole movement. Or Van Jones
SleeplessinSoCal
Oct 2012
#350
Your post is fine. I agree with it completely. Posts slamming Liberals like MM
sabrina 1
Oct 2012
#324
Surely you know the answer to this question you pose, unless you're Rip Van Winkle.
MADem
Oct 2012
#379
Only you could possibly think that expressing an OPINION on a DISCUSSION board is somehow
MADem
Oct 2012
#380
To be fair, Obama did mention global warming in the first debate, IIRC.
backscatter712
Oct 2012
#372