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gab13by13

(32,483 posts) Thu Dec 30, 2021, 10:48 PM Dec 2021

Chris Hayes had a brutal show tonight, [View all]

To be brief, he and his guests talked about how president Biden needs to push, Chuck Schumer, and Senate Democrats to pass not just the 2 voter/election laws that are waiting for a filibuster carve out, there is a 3rd bill, don't know if the House passed it already, that closes loopholes in the Electoral college language. David Plouffe was one of the guests and he said that if Democrats don't pass these voter/election laws by early January, and if Republicans win back the House in 2022 then in 2024 states controlled by Republicans can send 2 sets of electors to the Electoral college, the state does not have to abide by who won the popular vote. Once that happens the House decides which set of electors to count.

Plouffe is no radical, he is very soft spoken, he went on to say that we will have president Trump until he dies, then Jr. then Ivanka, then Barron. That is exactly what David Plouffe said tonight.

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Chris Hayes had a brutal show tonight, [View all] gab13by13 Dec 2021 OP

Yes, it was brutal. elleng Dec 2021 #1

Democrats are sleep walking into electoral disaster montanacowboy Dec 2021 #2

David Plouffe is a very smart person, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #4

yes, I take him very seriously. nt Grasswire2 Dec 2021 #9

He may be smart but he is dead wrong. Jon King Dec 2021 #25

However, the other side has the guns. Grumpy Old Guy Dec 2021 #29

If you had good skills, then muscle and eye memory... Dan Dec 2021 #33

Or just use a shotgun. Grumpy Old Guy Dec 2021 #34

Oh, good. Let's let it get to that then. Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #57

I disagree Dave says Dec 2021 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #27

How does Schumer pass anything without Manchin and Sinema? honest.abe Dec 2021 #3

About 6 months ago, were I Chuck Schumer, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #5

+1 n/t Slammer Dec 2021 #12

What does "I expect your vote" do for you when you get a "no"? Steven Maurer Dec 2021 #26

Senators have always been pushed like that. Some know how to do it and some don't. Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #59

IN a 50+1 to 50 Senate, there is no leverage... Steven Maurer Dec 2021 #66

This. Chuck is a gentleman and my Senator and I will always vote for him, Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #58

Schumer has already said those will be brought to vote when they return after th 1st. Budi Dec 2021 #6

Barron? oasis Dec 2021 #7

Don't shoot the messenger, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #10

They don't need anyone competent not fooled Dec 2021 #15

That kid, from what I've seen in videos and read, is just like his dad. Yes, Barron. ancianita Dec 2021 #17

he has pushed. Manchin and Sinema would rather have the filibuster. Takket Dec 2021 #8

Hopefully we can hang on to the Senate in 2023, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #11

Lamb needs to win that race, even if Fetterman must step aside. Frasier Balzov Dec 2021 #30

That's pretty far-fetched, Deminpenn Dec 2021 #52

Me too SallyHemmings Dec 2021 #49

The Rethugs will not axe it, especially when a Dem POTUS is still in control. Celerity Dec 2021 #20

The filibuster gives them cover to not pass anything TheFarseer Dec 2021 #53

Maybe the media will start to pick up on what was said tonight ...... turbinetree Dec 2021 #13

Democrats have a 50 50 Senate and no hope of ending the filibuster. A llittle reality is needed Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #45

+1 betsuni Dec 2021 #46

I am going ask you what you think of this story...and then tell me who tells the truth more... turbinetree Dec 2021 #64

Maybe I'm just too old and spoled, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #14

I don't know where you live but the townspeople should be Boomerproud Dec 2021 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #28

So, we the people, will just accept the rule of Trump? Dan Dec 2021 #18

+1 orangecrush Dec 2021 #23

It wouldn't be the first time. That is exactly what happened in 2016. Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #60

Alright, maybe I'm a little dumb, but.... SergeStorms Dec 2021 #19

It's an election year. Frasier Balzov Dec 2021 #31

I understand that.... SergeStorms Dec 2021 #36

I don't understand it either. betsuni Dec 2021 #37

The primaries are also susceptible to manipulation. Frasier Balzov Dec 2021 #38

That my last straw with Chris,,,,,,,,, Cryptoad Dec 2021 #21

'Trump Brit Lackis' Celerity Dec 2021 #42

Dear God samplegirl Dec 2021 #22

Utter nonsense because has 0% chance of happening. Jon King Dec 2021 #24

The country limps along as a charade masquerading as the peaceful transfer of power. Frasier Balzov Dec 2021 #32

What? betsuni Dec 2021 #40

Like J6 had zero chance if happening? ria uponit7771 Dec 2021 #41

Do you understand why people might like to avoid that eventuality? Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #61

The breaking glacier to me was the most frightening yet Raine Dec 2021 #35

no MFM008 Dec 2021 #39

It's been relatively easy to see this coming for a while now. GoodRaisin Dec 2021 #43

And I should add that blaming "Democrats" or "Biden" for "not having a sense of urgency" GoodRaisin Dec 2021 #63

This is why I despise Chris Hayes...blaming Biden once more. We have a 50 50 Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #44

+1 betsuni Dec 2021 #47

Thank you Betsuni Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #48

Thank YOU! betsuni Dec 2021 #50

Please understand that MSNBC uses maximum fear-mongering Deminpenn Dec 2021 #51

It's exactly what I've been saying all year. For some reason the urgency doesn't seem to be getting Vinca Dec 2021 #54

It isn't just Washington Democrats who don't get this sense of urgency. Efilroft Sul Dec 2021 #62

I'm not sure about a Trump monarchy TheFarseer Dec 2021 #55

I never dreamed it would get this bad in my country. Paladin Dec 2021 #56

I think David Plouffe's comments have been misconstrued. ShazzieB Dec 2021 #67