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Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
178. And you think antibiotics and surgery cure all sick people all the time?
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:48 AM
Oct 2012

No, they do not.

Likewise, no matter how much we evolve as a society, there will never be a 100 percent success rate in preventing unwanted pregnancies. Therefore, it must remain legal and available.

Also, even if your dreamworld comes to fruition and all unwanted pregnancies are stopped every time, then there's no need to outlaw abortion because nobody will ever have the need for one.

pro life is a right wing frame nt msongs Oct 2012 #1
Yeah, but they don't really mean it. Once the kid is born, forgotten. Tigress DEM Oct 2012 #102
"abortion rates are similar in countries where it is legal and those where it is not," Hissyspit Oct 2012 #388
Yes, it does. Hissyspit Oct 2012 #2
+1,000,000 Soylent Brice Oct 2012 #244
@ CthulhusEvilCousin--Why are you forcing your opinion on women of child bearing age? Rectangle Oct 2012 #316
It's not pro-life, it's anti-choice.. Permanut Oct 2012 #3
Anti-choice is more accurate. More factual. More reality-based. calimary Oct 2012 #73
Exactly. "Pro-life" is a marketing ploy to mask anti-choice authoritarianism. n/t Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #74
It's forced birthing Major Nikon Oct 2012 #95
I just heard that term today listening to MSNBC, don't know who said it but that is spot on. n/t cui bono Oct 2012 #296
The idea has been around for a while Major Nikon Oct 2012 #299
that was the first time I heard it as well. Definitely spot on. liberal_at_heart Oct 2012 #313
thank you. lillypaddle Oct 2012 #185
+1000. It it anti-choice. If you establish the principle that lawmakers should be making gkhouston Oct 2012 #250
*facepalm* LeftyMom Oct 2012 #4
The rethuglican party xxqqqzme Oct 2012 #5
I am pro-life and pro-choice ThomThom Oct 2012 #17
That means you are pro-choice. That's the definiton! johnnyrocket Oct 2012 #318
no I am pro-life but not anti-choice ThomThom Oct 2012 #322
Agree.. txdemsftw Oct 2012 #33
a religious belief is a personal belief RainDog Oct 2012 #6
a religious belief is a social belief hfojvt Oct 2012 #26
it's not a universal. it's a choice someone makes RainDog Oct 2012 #94
+1000 hiphopnation Oct 2012 #186
I am not even sure what you just said hfojvt Oct 2012 #219
I am pro-life, anti-abortion, agnostic and a feminist. Th1onein Oct 2012 #39
You are "pro life, anti aborion... and a feminist"? obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #50
Absolutely I am. Th1onein Oct 2012 #114
Such a feminist that you'd jail women who have had abortions as having committed homicide. riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #130
We're not going to go there, are we? Th1onein Oct 2012 #135
Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #140
I am going there. Your position is the incendiary one. Jailing women who have had abortions riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #172
The Statute of Limitations has absolutely nothing to do with laws that reach back in time to a place Th1onein Oct 2012 #177
Nobody sets out to get cancer so they can get chemo either. Sometimes shit happens riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #181
You just reiterated my point, with a different analogy. Geez. Th1onein Oct 2012 #200
Bullshit. Abortion is a soulution, not a problem. Care Acutely Oct 2012 #245
We believe the problem to be assholes trying to RESTRICT choice. YOU think the problem is abortion. PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #248
++++++ uppityperson Oct 2012 #362
So what about the thousands of women liberalhistorian Nov 2012 #394
"most people" do not believe abortion is evil RainDog Oct 2012 #188
First of all, don't call me a liar. That kind of personal invective doesn't belong in a discussion Th1onein Oct 2012 #202
You said most people think abortion is evil RainDog Oct 2012 #211
I think you're splitting hairs. Th1onein Oct 2012 #224
Who cares 'what most people think'? What do you think about chemotherapy? Or tonsillectomies? PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #227
"What most people think" is usually an indicator of a consensus. Th1onein Oct 2012 #261
What's your basis for your belief? RainDog Oct 2012 #231
sloppy command of reality Care Acutely Oct 2012 #253
Hell of a lot of difference there, you can't have it both ways. Care Acutely Oct 2012 #252
I do NOT agree with that statement. Abortion is a moral and positive choice that liberates women, PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #221
I think most people would rather not get an abortion. Th1onein Oct 2012 #225
OK, I don't want chemotherapy, either. Or am amputation of my leg, but sometimes they make me better PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #229
I see the similarities, but it's not a good argument. Th1onein Oct 2012 #264
Childbirth is far FAR more dangerous than abortions. Your argument fails. PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #273
Crossing the street is dangerous. But walking out in front of a bus is deadly. Th1onein Oct 2012 #281
Women don't die from legal abortions, so what murder is committed? obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #334
NO! There are women who DIE in childbirth. Its utterly immoral to force ALL women to birth riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #277
As well as the risk to their mental health obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #335
Legal abortions are not a dangerous medical procedure obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #333
Most people would rather not get a root canal either. But having one done is sometimes necessary. uppityperson Oct 2012 #364
Abortion isn't a good thing, it's an EXCELLENT thing Care Acutely Oct 2012 #247
Yes!!! HangOnKids Oct 2012 #249
Abortion can be a good thing. You are wrong that everyone agrees it is "NOT". uppityperson Oct 2012 #363
From my perspective, polly7 Oct 2012 #191
+1 idwiyo Oct 2012 #311
Bringing an unwanted child into the world is worse. polly7 Oct 2012 #210
Why is it that people against abortion are people you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place? backscatter712 Oct 2012 #193
In your opinion, is getting an abortion murder? Does doing an abortion make them a murderer? uppityperson Oct 2012 #197
Maybe Th1onein will answer but there's backstory on that. In short yes she's called it murder before riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #222
huh. That's, quite frankly, bullshit. I knew most of that as we were on forced ignore. PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #223
I have no problem at all with history, riderinthestorm. Th1onein Oct 2012 #287
You want to blame others for YOUR ABUSE???? RainDog Oct 2012 #289
I'm not going to justify your post with much of a response, RainDog. Th1onein Oct 2012 #291
Here's what you said RainDog Oct 2012 #300
Good grief, how in the WORLD do you come up with that assessment of what I said? Th1onein Oct 2012 #306
"Homicide" is also a legal term. uppityperson Oct 2012 #365
Walks like a duck, squawks like a duck.... GoneOffShore Oct 2012 #381
that has to be one of the stupidest remarks on this thread RainDog Oct 2012 #382
Why thank you. I've read the entire thread and found her logic lacking in the extreme. GoneOffShore Oct 2012 #383
I was talking about her remark, not yours RainDog Oct 2012 #384
Sorry, it was late and I was in mellow land. GoneOffShore Oct 2012 #391
Homicide and murder are the same thing obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #338
That is ridiculous -- homicide and murder are the same thing obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #336
I didn't. Skinner Oct 2012 #353
thank you for clarifying that. PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #360
Thank you for clarifying Skinner. Appreciate it. nt uppityperson Oct 2012 #366
You can believe that and never have an abortion, yourself. MineralMan Oct 2012 #201
Thank you, you've said it perfectly. liberalhistorian Nov 2012 #395
Excellent post (nt) Tumbulu Nov 2012 #399
So, are you going to vote for the Presidential candidate who disagrees with you on that issue? 2ndAmForComputers Oct 2012 #259
How I handle my own pregnancies is none of your business. And a feminist understands that, in fact DeschutesRiver Oct 2012 #243
No, you can't be anti choice and a Feminist obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #332
I get it, for whatever it's worth. I don't agree with it, but I get it. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #341
Patricia Heaton is a Republican Fla Dem Oct 2012 #218
I know who Patrciia Heaton is obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #340
It's such a good thing that birth control is available to all and works flawlessly always Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #85
No need to be sarcastic or rude, Arugula Latte. Th1onein Oct 2012 #115
Obviously I think we should have great birth control and great access to it. Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #123
I am a female and a "good" feminist. Th1onein Oct 2012 #134
It's not the fact that you are pro life that's the issue... hnfpd Oct 2012 #141
Let's turn that argument on it's end for a minute, okay? Th1onein Oct 2012 #145
It will never, ever been 100 percent avoidable. Never. Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #176
I, in fact, HAVE A UTERUS. Th1onein Oct 2012 #179
Abortion is not a "problem". riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #184
Abortion is the problem; the issue, that we cannot agree upon. That's a problem. Th1onein Oct 2012 #203
You've labelled abortion a problem in many posts on this thread alone. riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #216
*You* have the problem, in that you think any other uterus is any of your business. Lars39 Oct 2012 #187
Please try to keep up. Th1onein Oct 2012 #204
My statement stands. Lars39 Oct 2012 #239
What statement? The one where you assume that I don't have a uterus? Th1onein Oct 2012 #265
No, the statement of "any other" uterus being any of your business. Lars39 Oct 2012 #271
They become society's business when they hold the life of an innocent child. Th1onein Oct 2012 #280
So you believe that a woman who has an abortion is a murderer? Lars39 Oct 2012 #283
Another person's uterus is NEVER any of your business. You don't get a say in whether smokey nj Oct 2012 #319
You think abortion is a "wedge issue?" RainDog Oct 2012 #189
A wedge issue is an issue that divides a group. I think the issue of abortion does a pretty good Th1onein Oct 2012 #205
What's your basis for your belief, then? RainDog Oct 2012 #215
Actually, part of it does come from science. Th1onein Oct 2012 #230
We all know 'life' starts at conception. Personhood, however, does not. So sayeth SCOTUS. PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #234
So, you admit that abortion is taking another's life, then? Th1onein Oct 2012 #238
Um, no. It's not 'taking another's life' any more than cutting out a mole or tumor or hangnail is. PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #241
That question is a pro-abortion framing of the issue. Th1onein Oct 2012 #263
I find your opinion on this matter disgusting, judgmental, and in conflict with the Democratic Party PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #272
Thattttt's right! Lob those insults! Oh! Hey! That really furthers your argument! Th1onein Oct 2012 #285
I stated the facts about with whom you align. PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #286
So, you are saying that, because I am pro-life.... Th1onein Oct 2012 #290
I didn't call you any names. I said on that issue you align with scum. PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #293
You are apparently trying to infer that I'm scum, then, right? Th1onein Oct 2012 #298
You'd like to see abortion outlawed. GreenEyedLefty Nov 2012 #393
And when I cut off my foot because of a gangrenous toe, I've also taken life, since my foot was aliv uppityperson Oct 2012 #368
LOL RainDog Oct 2012 #235
Please In Her Spare Time She Is A Scientist HangOnKids Oct 2012 #254
"I am a biomedical researcher, in my spare time. " Care Acutely Oct 2012 #258
You know, Care Acutely, just because YOU have not chosen to use your spare time in a manner Th1onein Oct 2012 #260
And I am the QUEEN OF SHEEBA. Care Acutely Oct 2012 #270
The difference is that you can look up my work, and I can't look up your queenly lineage. Th1onein Oct 2012 #276
That still doesn't justify your claim RainDog Oct 2012 #370
No, because my mother said I'M the Queen of Sheba! WinkyDink Oct 2012 #343
Define "life". You keep using that term but haven't defined what you mean. It is simple uppityperson Oct 2012 #367
Believe whatever you believe, but do not force MineralMan Oct 2012 #214
Nope, that's not going to fly, pardner. Th1onein Oct 2012 #236
Nor is any of this your choice. We have laws in this land. We can trust women to exercise their PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #246
I obviously disagree with you. Th1onein Oct 2012 #262
Thank you for so clearly stating "Abortion should be illegal". uppityperson Oct 2012 #369
Do you honestly believe that making abortion illegal liberalhistorian Nov 2012 #396
That clump of cells is not a person's life. riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #251
It does fly since abortion is legal. And for that matter, whenever abortion has briefly DeschutesRiver Oct 2012 #255
First, I'm not your "pardner." MineralMan Oct 2012 #256
Just in case you missed it, in post #236, she does call abortion a "homicide". For the record... nt riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #274
Yes, I saw that, and I don't find it compatible MineralMan Oct 2012 #275
Exactly obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #342
My uterus is mine and any embryo that decides to grow Tumbulu Nov 2012 #400
I am pro-choice and pro-abortion. It saves lives, families and liberates women. PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #92
Oh yes, it will become moot one day. Th1onein Oct 2012 #117
You live in a dream world waddirum Oct 2012 #121
No. waddirum, I live in the real world. You know, the one where man has set foot on the moon? Th1onein Oct 2012 #136
And you think antibiotics and surgery cure all sick people all the time? Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #178
You miss my point completely. Th1onein Oct 2012 #180
Right! So NO NEED TO OUTLAW it. Keep it legal and readily available! I'm glad you agree. Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #182
Now you're advocating for enforced sterilization to prevent abortion???!!!! riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #183
Would you mind explaining your position on sterilisation? idwiyo Oct 2012 #323
Who will be made to be sterilized, and who decides it? obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #344
obviously chemical and other castration would be the answer RainDog Oct 2012 #354
Please inform me... waddirum Oct 2012 #326
Ectopic pregnancies = abortion. riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #132
Children's lives are jeopardized to satisfy a bizarre notion that abortions are homicides? Wow; Th1onein Oct 2012 #137
What 'problem' are you referring to? PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #152
The problem of abortions. nt Th1onein Oct 2012 #173
huh. How are abortions a problem and to whom? PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #213
abortion is the solution -- not the problem nt waddirum Oct 2012 #331
Do you subscribe to the notion that "pregnancies from rape are God’s will"? PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #154
I've already said that I am an agnostic, haven't I? Th1onein Oct 2012 #174
abortion is NOT a problem, it's a solution. PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #217
Abortion is the wedge issue, PeaceNikki. Th1onein Oct 2012 #226
Bullshit. Trying to restrict is is the problem. PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #228
For the pro-abortionists trying to restrict it is the problem. For the anti-abortionists, the Th1onein Oct 2012 #266
Your argument loses all credibility when you throw out the term "pro-abortionist". cui bono Oct 2012 #303
Pro-Abortionists? obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #345
"pro-abortionists"? Seriously? Hey, I'll have an Abortion Party (tm) Dec 22, ok? uppityperson Oct 2012 #372
If you were standing in front of me... Marrah_G Nov 2012 #403
Abortion is a "problem" because it is "the wedge issue" for you? THAT is why you have such uppityperson Oct 2012 #371
Sometimes pregnancies have to be terminated to save women's lives. Sometimes women are raped. PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #149
When an abortion saves a life, abortion should be performed. I don't disagree with that. Th1onein Oct 2012 #268
I have a question for you, not actually related to abortion. Zalatix Oct 2012 #278
Yes, I have family and friends who are pro-life. Th1onein Oct 2012 #279
you claim you want common ground but use words like "murder" and "homicide" PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #282
See Post #287, PeaceNikki. Th1onein Oct 2012 #294
how would you like to punish women, their doctors and accomplices in Th1oneinstan? PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #295
I have faith in our legislature to come up with something appropriate, as long as it's a Democratic Th1onein Oct 2012 #302
you find my comments incendiary but not your own? buy a mirror, honey. PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #304
We have common ground RainDog Oct 2012 #284
Once again, RainDog, you are mischaracterizing my statements and my position. Completely. Th1onein Oct 2012 #307
You're right, it is a wedge issue Zalatix Oct 2012 #305
so RainDog Oct 2012 #350
Ummmmmmm... Zalatix Oct 2012 #351
then explain this utopia RainDog Oct 2012 #352
If religious extremists got enough power where they could twist things like in your previous post Zalatix Oct 2012 #356
and what if women did not want to donate their genetic material? RainDog Oct 2012 #357
If it's viable it's no longer just 'genetic material'. Zalatix Oct 2012 #359
you present no valid circumstance RainDog Oct 2012 #361
Like I said before, technology determines viability. Zalatix Oct 2012 #374
I'm familiar with Roe v Wade RainDog Oct 2012 #375
I told you before, pre-birth personhood is determined by viability. What the hell? Zalatix Oct 2012 #377
so abortion prior to viability would be okay in your world? RainDog Oct 2012 #378
Surely you're just kidding now. Zalatix Oct 2012 #379
Who is going to raise these incubator babies? RainDog Oct 2012 #380
Did you know women with good finances and support get abortions? What support do you want to uppityperson Oct 2012 #373
Oh and ectopic pregnancies will go away on their own Tumbulu Nov 2012 #401
I'm pro-abortion Major Nikon Oct 2012 #98
+1 It is the ultimate hifiguy Oct 2012 #129
I am with you. Abortion is a moral and positive choice that liberates women, saves lives, and PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #150
contraception often fails waddirum Oct 2012 #119
Good luck on that fairy tale coming true. Jamastiene Oct 2012 #133
Question for you: Marrah_G Oct 2012 #164
Yes you are correct (nt) Tumbulu Nov 2012 #402
Isn't that pretty much what Bill Clinton did? limpyhobbler Oct 2012 #7
I stand for life BanzaiBonnie Oct 2012 #8
Thank you! Mme. Defarge Oct 2012 #9
What utter nonsense. Hissyspit Oct 2012 #12
No thank you. "Choice" is not a fucking euphemism. It's a choice. PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #20
Actually, both "life" and "choice" are most indeed euphemisms. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #30
Agreed ... Mme. Defarge Oct 2012 #54
It can't be done while supporting an economically conservative agenda, that's for sure. nt Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #56
You are correct, it's a symptom of a deeper defecit in modern wester civilization. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2012 #27
Bullshit. Hissyspit Oct 2012 #59
Hogwash obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #51
it should TorchTheWitch Oct 2012 #190
Especially since it's now officially part of the Dem Platform obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #346
"pro-life" is a euphemism for forced birthing Major Nikon Oct 2012 #96
Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #142
"Pro-life" is a euphemism for "anti-woman." athena Oct 2012 #196
"Pro-Life" isn't Pro-Life, because it is fascism. patrice Oct 2012 #10
If you want to use government to make that call for women, it does. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #11
^This^ Freddie Oct 2012 #14
many people on the left though hfojvt Oct 2012 #29
No, there's no "though" Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #81
This obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #52
+1,000,000 nt RomneyLies Oct 2012 #57
bingo.... mike_c Oct 2012 #91
+1. I lose count, so I just say +1 and trust that you'll keep a tally. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #107
I usually hate your fucking posts hnfpd Oct 2012 #143
That's an odd reply for a number of reasons, starting with the obvious ones Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #144
I was going to ask hnf to stop 'helping' here, Mc Mike Oct 2012 #147
Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #348
I don't think the author's point CthulhusEvilCousin Oct 2012 #13
The phrase 'pro-Life' is a right-wing frame and you're a troll - n/t coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #15
Pro Life....offensive way to phrase it.... StarryNite Oct 2012 #16
I find as I get older, I care less and less for the male opinion on women's health issues justiceischeap Oct 2012 #18
You Got That Right RobinA Oct 2012 #49
There are women who chime in as pro-circumcision on every single circumcision thread I've seen here. Fumesucker Oct 2012 #139
Sorry but I don't see that conversation as often as I see those concerning justiceischeap Oct 2012 #146
Here's the words I was responding to Fumesucker Oct 2012 #148
I clarified my OP justiceischeap Oct 2012 #153
The words I quoted came from post #18, not the OP Fumesucker Oct 2012 #155
hogwash. It's Anti-choice. PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #19
What Nikki said. Skidmore Oct 2012 #22
but LAWS do that all the time hfojvt Oct 2012 #32
There are Democrats (even DUers) who believe abortion is a homicide and women should be jailed riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #43
Well, in general, I do not see the prison system, for any offense, hfojvt Oct 2012 #45
Jesus fucking Christ, i meant the collective "my". PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #89
Fart noises. Solly Mack Oct 2012 #21
Sure it does. Iggo Oct 2012 #23
No-one is "pro-death"; thus, the correct term here is "anti-choice." WinkyDink Oct 2012 #24
No one is anti-choice in totality either. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #31
Uh, duh; the context IS "abortion." Nobody (except you) would think the phrase includes ice-cream or WinkyDink Oct 2012 #159
Uh, duh; Some of us don't feel the need to mix framing with context when discussing an issue. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #269
Assume I'll see you demonstrating at the next anti-death penalty rally? Or are you just pro-zygote? retread Oct 2012 #25
+1,000,000! Waiting to hear an answer to that. Zalatix Oct 2012 #63
..... Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #67
I dunno if the OP is a consistent-life ethic person. Zalatix Oct 2012 #82
She actually is consistent on that point, liberalhistorian Nov 2012 #397
Hitchens was the atheist superhero sadbear Oct 2012 #28
Two words for anyone equating "atheism" and "left wing": AYN RAND. bullwinkle428 Oct 2012 #165
Yup. sadbear Oct 2012 #171
I don't know who Hitchens is but my daughter is an atheist and left wing liberal_at_heart Oct 2012 #315
Well in all fairness to atheists we are way more to the left than other people Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #387
I'm not sure anyone really want abortions to have to take place davidpdx Oct 2012 #34
I think abortion is wrong.. SQUEE Oct 2012 #35
Don't have one then. retread Oct 2012 #209
You miss my point SQUEE Oct 2012 #330
I am pro-this-is-a-medical-decision-between-a grown-woman-and-her-doctor. riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #36
+1 JNelson6563 Oct 2012 #80
Nobody really likes abortions. bemildred Oct 2012 #37
Sorry, but it does. cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #38
Hogwash. 99Forever Oct 2012 #40
How about this? Zoeisright Oct 2012 #41
Depends, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2012 #42
precisely ibegurpard Oct 2012 #116
interdicting civility and reason to a complicated issue again? Magistrate to the rescue. grantcart Oct 2012 #232
I wonder how many third-trimester fetuses Mc Mike Oct 2012 #44
Excellent response Oilwellian Oct 2012 #71
Thanks O.w. Great member name. NT. Mc Mike Oct 2012 #110
The infant mortality rate in some areas of the US rivals some 3rd world countries Major Nikon Oct 2012 #99
+1 to this, your post 96, and 97. Mc Mike Oct 2012 #111
No fucking kidding. I live on an Indian reservation liberalhistorian Nov 2012 #398
You've got me searching for the "like" button! +10000 Iris Oct 2012 #120
Thanks, I. Nt. Mc Mike Oct 2012 #161
+1,000,000:000:000,000,000,000,000 redqueen Oct 2012 #151
Hi Red, I hit the jackpot. Thanks Nt. Mc Mike Oct 2012 #162
Troll sensor activated! L0oniX Oct 2012 #46
You mean anti choice, and if one is anti choice obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #47
Well, since no one is by definition "anti-choice".... Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #58
No one is anti-choice? Have you read the Repubilcan platform? yardwork Oct 2012 #64
The Republican platform is certainly not "pro-life." That's for sure. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #65
Excuse me, but it's a lot more than rhetorical to women whose lives are on the line. yardwork Oct 2012 #68
The issue itself is not rhetoric. But the framing of the issue is. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #70
Nonsense. Anti-choice is a very apt way to describe what the Republicans want. yardwork Oct 2012 #76
No. Let's be intellectually honest here. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #77
Guess what? Nobody made YOU "The Framer." We are using accepted terms, Mr. Jesuitical. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #160
Har har! Mc Mike Oct 2012 #166
Accepted really only by those who share a similar view as yours. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #220
Of course people are anti choice obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #69
Life and Choice are but empty terms. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #72
On the issue of abortion, yes, plenty of people are most assuredly "anti-choice". NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #86
I think you inadvertantly nail it with your post. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #88
When people talk about being "pro-choice" in the context of an abortion issue, NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #90
And when people say "pro-life" in the context of the abortion issue, most Americans instinctively... Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #103
But the debate isn't about "the best bumper stickers". You're missing the point. NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #106
No, the debate SHOULDN'T be about who has the best bumper stickers. But that's what it's become. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #109
The morning after pill isn't an extraordinary medical procedure, Mc Mike Oct 2012 #112
Personally, I agree. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #233
Tom, you argue politely and rationally, but Mc Mike Oct 2012 #320
Well said. redqueen Oct 2012 #156
They are trying to make a choice illegal gollygee Oct 2012 #105
Choice to do what? nt Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #108
Chosing a hygienic legal medical abortion vs a illegal unhygienic back alley one. eom uppityperson Oct 2012 #138
Tommy, you're really doing nothing more here than playing word games, the same way bullwinkle428 Oct 2012 #168
How exactly am I playing word games here? Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #212
So you are anti choice and you believe that the government should have say over Bluenorthwest Oct 2012 #48
ALL YOUR UTERI ARE BELONG TO US Capt. Obvious Oct 2012 #53
Our language is polluted by those who would pollute our thinking. hunter Oct 2012 #55
+1 Marrah_G Oct 2012 #167
Thank you. Well said. n/t kiranon Oct 2012 #240
Wrong. If you are against women having control over their own bodies, then you are efhmc Oct 2012 #60
I'm pro-choice renate Oct 2012 #61
What a load of crap, imo... Spazito Oct 2012 #62
We even have a Senate candidate in a close race spewing that doctors are preforming abortions on libdem4life Oct 2012 #66
Yeah, We Hear The Same Thing From Our DU Gun Enthusiasts. Paladin Oct 2012 #75
I think that I have a nuanced view on this issue. dawg Oct 2012 #78
I'm betting what your original post means is that you have chosen to be Non-choice but support... Tikki Oct 2012 #79
There's a reason why the coat hanger has become a symbol. Never forget. Politicub Oct 2012 #83
You can be as "pro life" as you want, but stay out of MY business. hamsterjill Oct 2012 #84
If you're anti-choice, then yes that does make you less of a "lefty". NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #87
Good points, thanks for sharing. usregimechange Oct 2012 #93
So the author claims it isn't about emotion, then proceeds to list arguments based on emotion Major Nikon Oct 2012 #97
Thanks for weighing in. cliffordu Oct 2012 #100
If by "pro-life" you mean... ljm2002 Oct 2012 #101
Holy crap. Trashing this thread. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #104
YES, it does! MuhkRahker Oct 2012 #113
This...a facebook exchange with a 21 year old in bible college babydollhead Oct 2012 #118
I am heartily sick of these tired old memes. LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #122
I agree with everything you said except one small point - "...having a baby, which men support in Iris Oct 2012 #124
You were partially right: LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #125
Ah, ok. I see. I think the survey I was talking about was before 2008. Iris Oct 2012 #126
Normally I look this stuff up before I post LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #127
Honestly, it's hard sometimes not to believe there's some giant conspiracy. Iris Oct 2012 #128
My mother taught me not to hate but sometimes it is hard. efhmc Oct 2012 #131
Rove corp hard at work. Not rank and file. Nt Mc Mike Oct 2012 #163
anti choice. but, dont be telling me it is pro life. that is bullshit. anti choice. call it what is. seabeyond Oct 2012 #157
I don't even call it that Major Nikon Oct 2012 #158
Sea and red both. Makes it worth tuning in for me. 'Cthulhu', Balderdash. Mc Mike Oct 2012 #194
I like it. Long and short version. Saving it for future refernce and you should, too! Iris Oct 2012 #207
Are you also for forced organ donations? athena Oct 2012 #169
Pro-life = anti-woman Generic Other Oct 2012 #170
All Democrats are pro life. Every single one. Autumn Oct 2012 #175
Keep you forced birth bullshit out of my party. MadrasT Oct 2012 #192
Denying abortion rights to women ismnotwasm Oct 2012 #195
For Starters Megahurtz Oct 2012 #198
Well then, don't have an abortion Bettie Oct 2012 #199
How many children have you adopted? jeff47 Oct 2012 #206
The sovereign inner parts and functions of my body are none of your fucking business. Zorra Oct 2012 #208
I would not vote for ANY candidate who wasn't pro-choice. forestpath Oct 2012 #237
Agree. n/t kiranon Oct 2012 #242
If you think abortion is wrong, don't have one. Blue_In_AK Oct 2012 #257
birth control and good sex ed....best way to have smaller abortion numbers DonRedwood Oct 2012 #267
You can be against abortion in a different way davidn3600 Oct 2012 #288
You are absolutely right. Well said. eom Th1onein Oct 2012 #308
I've been reading your posts liberal_at_heart Oct 2012 #309
Oh? You've been reading my posts, have you? Th1onein Oct 2012 #310
Yes I had been reading your posts liberal_at_heart Oct 2012 #314
Facile, dave. Mc Mike Oct 2012 #324
I'm a pro-life Democrat and wanted to just come in and say we do exist! O/ nt cecilfirefox Oct 2012 #292
anti-abortion is not pro-life RainDog Oct 2012 #301
It does if you want to legislate your belief so as to impose it on others. cui bono Oct 2012 #297
"Pro-life" = forced birth = right wing talking points. Also, if you are so "pro-life" how can you idwiyo Oct 2012 #312
What is the angst? What are you wrestling with? johnnyrocket Oct 2012 #317
I didn't know this, but someone I really respected WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2012 #321
If you ask any "pro-life" Democrat how they really feel about abortion... Taverner Oct 2012 #325
Not at least one in this thread who thinks abortion should be illegal. A position to the right of PeaceNikki Oct 2012 #328
IMO the abortion issue all boils down to whether you think a fetus is a person. redgreenandblue Oct 2012 #327
4 primary reasons I'm pro choice: DHelix Oct 2012 #358
if your "pro-life" position includes the death penalty i will listen to you arely staircase Oct 2012 #329
ah... yes it does fascisthunter Oct 2012 #337
I struggle with this issue myself. So I understand. But I am pro-choice, in the end. 12 wks seems Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #339
Not to a child who has been raped obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #389
It doesn't make you any less of a democrat. craigmatic Oct 2012 #347
She's in no way a lefty. She posts on conservative forums. Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #376
Pro Choice is a plank of the Dem Platform obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #390
Ok but the president doesn't neccessarily have to follow the platform and neither do we and still be craigmatic Oct 2012 #392
Every time this subject comes up mstinamotorcity2 Oct 2012 #349
amen! n/t RainDog Oct 2012 #355
You are not a liberal Demsrule86 Oct 2012 #385
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