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marie999

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145. When I was in the army, the range master used a loudspeaker.

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Video shows cop shoot without warning at man firing into air [View all] Ohio Joe Jan 2022 OP

Hell with the warning, he was firing into a wooden fence MagickMuffin Jan 2022 #1

Wut?!? Nevilledog Jan 2022 #2

If I'm understanding the story correctly MagickMuffin Jan 2022 #8

I thought you were talking about the dead guy. My bad. Nevilledog Jan 2022 #10

Voluntary manslaughter. SYFROYH Jan 2022 #3

+1000 WarGamer Jan 2022 #5

Jail time. ZonkerHarris Jan 2022 #7

No it isn't either...the person firing gun was a big risk to people in the area...no sympathy. Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #18

It was reckless behavior for sure but not a direct threat to an individual SYFROYH Jan 2022 #34

Shooting guns in a neighborhood is a direct threat to all neighbors...the guy was an idiot. Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #54

It looks like we disagree. SYFROYH Jan 2022 #67

those bullets do come down you know NoRethugFriends Jan 2022 #122

Of course, but the vast majority of them hurt no one. SYFROYH Jan 2022 #127

The vast majority of them...are you fucking kidding me...what you expect his neighbors to Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #132

I simple police announcement and command before killing him is all I ask for. SYFROYH Jan 2022 #142

Have you ever been mere feet away from someone firing rapidly firing a rifle? PTWB Jan 2022 #150

Jesus H Christ. Yes, at ranges with hearing protection and SYFROYH Jan 2022 #159

Your experience is very different from mine. PTWB Jan 2022 #164

Even its true that he wouldn't have heard the police... SYFROYH Jan 2022 #169

Why would you expect that? PTWB Jan 2022 #175

There was no imminent threat. SYFROYH Jan 2022 #181

There was an imminent threat. PTWB Jan 2022 #184

Your example proves you wrong. SYFROYH Jan 2022 #185

I think we must be talking about different cases. PTWB Jan 2022 #187

I could be wrong but in Waikesha the driver had already hit people and was still on the parade route SYFROYH Jan 2022 #189

There were no people immediately in the path of the vehicle when the police shot. PTWB Jan 2022 #190

Have you ever been around with an AR-15 being fired...I doubt he would have heard it. Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #182

Yes, and people can hear someone shouting at them. SYFROYH Jan 2022 #183

Have you ever talked to a person firing a weapon feet from you? marie999 Jan 2022 #135

Yes and yes they can. Have you? SYFROYH Jan 2022 #139

He was firing as fast as he could pull the trigger, 3 or 4 times per second. Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #144

If we're talking about experiences, I've seen range masters SYFROYH Jan 2022 #157

When I was in the army, the range master used a loudspeaker. marie999 Jan 2022 #145

Most range masters don't have to. SYFROYH Jan 2022 #147

Let alone one being fired 3 or 4 times per second. Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #141

Doubling down because you expressed an opinion before the facts came out. Stop digging. Yeah it is Solomon Jan 2022 #40

Not at all. The guy was firing into the air...an AR15 no less...dangerously stupid so I have no Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #55

Stupid, illegal but not a death no due process death sentence. uponit7771 Jan 2022 #76

He had a gun and was firing it...endangering a city neighborhood. This isn't in the country... Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #134

I'm not expressing any sympathy for the victim. It's due process I care about and you should too. Solomon Jan 2022 #269

So, the cop should have waited until he killed someone? marie999 Jan 2022 #161

I think the cop ForgedCrank Jan 2022 #105

When the only tool you've got is a hammer... WarGamer Jan 2022 #4

What kind of warning would you expect the suspect to hear over his rapid fire blasting? PTWB Jan 2022 #6

So shooting blindly through a fence without IDing a target is the right way? ZonkerHarris Jan 2022 #9

Was it really shooting blindly? PTWB Jan 2022 #11

There could have been other people or a child standing there. NutmegYankee Jan 2022 #13

Do you have any information that suggests the shooter was firing blanks? PTWB Jan 2022 #16

Can you prove to me they were not? NutmegYankee Jan 2022 #19

That isn't how that works. PTWB Jan 2022 #21

Nope. I made no claim. NutmegYankee Jan 2022 #23

Suggestion, then. PTWB Jan 2022 #26

Which goes back that the officer shot through a blind wall (fence) with little info. NutmegYankee Jan 2022 #28

The officer shooting would have still been justified. PTWB Jan 2022 #33

Excuse me? NutmegYankee Jan 2022 #35

Nor can I. PTWB Jan 2022 #44

Ridiculous inthewind21 Jan 2022 #146

What is? PTWB Jan 2022 #151

So if his son was with him you are ok with shooting going through fence?? USALiberal Jan 2022 #36

If he's rapid firing an assault rifle illegally with his son next to him NickB79 Jan 2022 #38

Lol, ok USALiberal Jan 2022 #50

How about if the reckless shooter had shot an innocent kid sleeping in his/her bed? Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #52

What, cops are supposed to wait before they shoot a shooter to make sure they are not firing blanks? marie999 Jan 2022 #140

Unless the rifle had a blank adapter installed dumbcat Jan 2022 #173

The guy shooting in the air had no business doing this...he risked the lives of every person in this Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #15

but "everyone around here does it" maxsolomon Jan 2022 #22

Hehe...fuck the right to bear arms...kids should be able to sleep in their beds without getting Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #43

that's gun-grabber talk maxsolomon Jan 2022 #46

Personally, it is lucky that this idiot didn't manage to shoot innocent kids...I really have no Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #49

So fuck due process right ?! REALLY ?! uponit7771 Jan 2022 #75

Are you kidding...he had an AR-15 and was shooting in the air in a city neighborhood... Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #136

So inthewind21 Jan 2022 #153

Due process is not a consideration. PTWB Jan 2022 #154

Due process comes after an arrest-this has nothing to do with due process...the bottom line is this, Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #178

They're being technical with the definition of "due process" but I think word whipping shows .. uponit7771 Jan 2022 #195

Still not a death sentence uponit7771 Jan 2022 #191

If he didn't ID the shooter, how did he shoot the right person? marie999 Jan 2022 #133

Nice try!! Nt USALiberal Jan 2022 #27

Stop PTWB, ... no, just stop uponit7771 Jan 2022 #74

I take pretty much same position on these things, if a victim or perp has a gun, Hoyt Jan 2022 #12

+1000 Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #17

"Don't sell them"? Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #51

Why I suppose you could sell them to anyone you want...hopefully the buyer won't shoot up a Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #57

The only SCOTUS ruling on guns in quite some time was the Heller decision. Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #59

I refer to the right for an 'individual' to bear arms...a militia is not an individual...our laws Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #60

The Heller decision forced areas with highly restrictive gun laws such as Washington DC to permit Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #61

Point to me one time in US history when you had to be in a militia to own firearms EX500rider Jan 2022 #188

Hero, you are a gun promoter/apologist, wear body armor, gun profiteer, Hoyt Jan 2022 #62

What do you say to all the firearm owners who vote Democratic? PTWB Jan 2022 #64

If one straps a gun on to walk out the door, they're a blight on society. Sorry. Hoyt Jan 2022 #66

I vote Democratic in every election and have for many, many years. PTWB Jan 2022 #70

I say it's not enough 48656c6c6f20 Jan 2022 #71

Hoyt, you have admitted to committing robbery. Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #82

Once again Hero, you missed context of post. IAE, you are a gunner and you promote more gunz. Hoyt Jan 2022 #116

Please explain that context for the benefit of the studio audience, then. Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #119

Not going to feel sorry for any adult who does something stupid with a gun Kaleva Jan 2022 #14

Firing into the air is deadly for one thing. gulliver Jan 2022 #20

WTRF link Marthe48 Jan 2022 #41

Thanks gulliver Jan 2022 #68

Yeah-Ohio Marthe48 Jan 2022 #80

I think the ammosexual firing his gun in a residential area got what he asked for. lagomorph777 Jan 2022 #166

Do cops freak out and shoot 1st when there's active gunfire? Yes. maxsolomon Jan 2022 #24

It is illegal to fire a gun into the air in the city in Ohio. I live in Ohio. Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #45

I'm never sure any more. maxsolomon Jan 2022 #48

You are right, no White person has ever been shot by a cop. marie999 Jan 2022 #174

All of a sudden, DU is siding with the guy with the AR illegally firing dozens of rounds NickB79 Jan 2022 #25

Read the story again!! Nt USALiberal Jan 2022 #29

I did. I also watched the video earlier today NickB79 Jan 2022 #31

So shooting through a fence.... USALiberal Jan 2022 #32

To stop a guy raining bullets into his neighborhood? NickB79 Jan 2022 #37

Nice try.... USALiberal Jan 2022 #42

Well the cop shot the perp or shooter didn't he? I bet the neighbors were scared to death. Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #47

"Everyone around here does it" maxsolomon Jan 2022 #65

It is amazing how easily sarisataka Jan 2022 #39

I'm not sure if this is sarcasm. maxsolomon Jan 2022 #69

It is rather thick sarisataka Jan 2022 #83

thanks for clearing that up. maxsolomon Jan 2022 #117

Yes, I believe we are, sarisataka Jan 2022 #126

Guns guns guns! 48656c6c6f20 Jan 2022 #72

False, we're siding with due process and proper policing not idiots doing idiotic things. When it uponit7771 Jan 2022 #77

I am sorry you feel this poor man shooting guns and endangering ever man, woman, child and pet Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #138

Drama major? inthewind21 Jan 2022 #162

I beg your pardon. I have degrees in Chemistry, Mathematics and a minor in biology and Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #176

I'm not going to defend the moron who got shot... dsp3000 Jan 2022 #30

The guy was an idiot and paid the price for his actions. The officer did nothing wrong. Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #53

This is false on its face, not announcing PD and firing blind through a fence is something wrong uponit7771 Jan 2022 #78

Firstly, there wasn't the slightest chance that the guy could've heard the policeman while firing Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #84

Neither of those reasons mean a death sentence without due process. uponit7771 Jan 2022 #85

This incident has nothing to do with due process or the lack thereof. Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #93

This is false on its face, shooting in the air doesn't mean the officer becomes executioner uponit7771 Jan 2022 #96

Does not shooting into the air put people down range at risk of death? Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #102

Of course but not eminent danger of being killed and the reason the officer had to proffer uponit7771 Jan 2022 #103

If the officer could see where the AR was pointed, how could he have been firing "blind", as you Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #108

Don't remember saying the LEO was firing blind, lets say he wasn't shooting blind the ... uponit7771 Jan 2022 #110

You said he was firing blind in post #78. Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #113

You're right, I forgot about the "through a fence" part which further invalidates the LEOs proffered uponit7771 Jan 2022 #115

Better direct video: Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2022 #56

How many people are killed or maimed every year by "celebratory gunfire?" PTWB Jan 2022 #58

We also could see what I said yesterday, the lack of announcement or orders to stop .... uponit7771 Jan 2022 #79

Thanks for your response. PTWB Jan 2022 #81

None of that means a death sentence without due process uponit7771 Jan 2022 #86

This police shooting was justified. This was not excessive force. PTWB Jan 2022 #88

Not without due process, following policy and fair treatment it was NOT justified. Also "justified" uponit7771 Jan 2022 #89

Due process is not a factor. PTWB Jan 2022 #90

This is false on its face uponit7771 Jan 2022 #91

How? PTWB Jan 2022 #92

The officers justification for shooting, like Chauvin's, doesn't show in the video seeing the weapon uponit7771 Jan 2022 #94

What does that have to do with due process? PTWB Jan 2022 #95

No I'm not, you're arguing amendments I'm arguing established process's and the officers false uponit7771 Jan 2022 #98

What? PTWB Jan 2022 #99

I'm talking about established process's in law enforcement in this situation. One of them is uponit7771 Jan 2022 #101

I see where the confusion arose. PTWB Jan 2022 #104

Everything except the " ... violated fourth amendment and ..." part. uponit7771 Jan 2022 #106

Now I'm really confused. PTWB Jan 2022 #107

No, I don't know how 4th amendment plays a part in this case and it might even be ... uponit7771 Jan 2022 #109

I explained that to you earlier in the thread. PTWB Jan 2022 #111

OK, the shooting was unreasonable and LEO reasoning proffered was false. I don't know how that uponit7771 Jan 2022 #114

That isn't how that works, Uponit. PTWB Jan 2022 #118

No, my position is clear without using the tittle and jot & pure diction of law to describe it; ... uponit7771 Jan 2022 #121

The officer reasonably believed that the suspect was creating a danger of death or serious injury. PTWB Jan 2022 #124

That's not what the LEO claimed as justification for shooting and you understand "danger of death" uponit7771 Jan 2022 #125

What do you mean? PTWB Jan 2022 #129

We both understand "eminent death" is litmus for shooting, "danger of death" could be anything .. uponit7771 Jan 2022 #192

Surely you mean imminent, yes? PTWB Jan 2022 #193

That word too, and no the shooter wasn't creating an imminent danger of death to the leo, .. uponit7771 Jan 2022 #194

Do you have a copy of the police report or interview with the officer? PTWB Jan 2022 #196

Going by what Chief claimed speaking for the LEO, its in the OP link (quote inside) uponit7771 Jan 2022 #198

Does the article say that the officer did not fear for the lives of those around him? PTWB Jan 2022 #201

The victim in this case is ... NOT ... seen firing a weapon either. Looking at BC footage again ... uponit7771 Jan 2022 #206

That's not correct. PTWB Jan 2022 #211

Nah, he didn't see that suspect fire the rifle and that "fireworks to firearms" statement is going uponit7771 Jan 2022 #214

Link to video from OP, nah ... there's no clear view of a firearm and fireworks were legal uponit7771 Jan 2022 #202

Incredible. PTWB Jan 2022 #203

Like I said, I don't feel sorry for the jerk. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2022 #97

+1000, many people here don't care if there was anyone standing by him. USALiberal Jan 2022 #63

The cop managed to shoot only the person firing the gun in the air so it Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #148

Sorry, the cop was wrong. nt USALiberal Jan 2022 #152

No, the cop did exactly what he was supposed to. marie999 Jan 2022 #168

LOL, ok! nt USALiberal Jan 2022 #170

I would agree. While I think guns are out of control. I have owned guns when I lived in the Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #180

I have had a CWP for over 40 years starting in South Florida. marie999 Jan 2022 #226

In the LEOs BC footage there's no weapon to be seen behind the fence (link) and firecrackers uponit7771 Jan 2022 #200

Except you can see a rifle discharging in the vid nt EX500rider Jan 2022 #204

Nope, I don't see a weapon in the video no one can, the fence is too high and its solid ... uponit7771 Jan 2022 #208

I didn't say it was a clean shoot EX500rider Jan 2022 #217

Got you, the guys an idiot for shooting up in the air but I don't think that means its a death ... uponit7771 Jan 2022 #221

BOOM !!! I knew it and posted this at the time the PD didn't show the BC footage. uponit7771 Jan 2022 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst Jan 2022 #87

No, a bullet shot straight up does NOT have the same speed falling! nt USALiberal Jan 2022 #149

Presuming it's shot at a precise 90 degree angle, it's very unlikely to cause injury. But: Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #155

People have been killed by bullets that were shot in the air. marie999 Jan 2022 #156

They were shot at an angle, not straight up! nt USALiberal Jan 2022 #158

Were all his shots straight up? marie999 Jan 2022 #165

You just made his point. PTWB Jan 2022 #167

I just gotta make ONE comment here bluestarone Jan 2022 #100

THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 Also the guy wasn't presenting an eminent danger to the LEO or anyone else uponit7771 Jan 2022 #112

Don't conflate lack of sympathy for an idiot with a gun for support for shooting through a fence Kaleva Jan 2022 #120

There are too many arguing the shooting was justified, it wasn't on the face of it ... uponit7771 Jan 2022 #123

I'm not one of those who claim the shooting was justified. Kaleva Jan 2022 #130

Agreed Red Mountain Jan 2022 #128

Agreed - nt Ohio Joe Jan 2022 #163

This message was self-deleted by its author inthewind21 Jan 2022 #171

Amazing inthewind21 Jan 2022 #172

As has already been explained multiple times in this thread, due process did not apply in this Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #179

Experts weigh in: Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #131

Nice try! USALiberal Jan 2022 #143

Well... If the repug AG of Ohio says not to question cops... Ohio Joe Jan 2022 #160

Its not surprising these folks are giving the killer cop the benefit of the doubt SYFROYH Jan 2022 #186

LEO stated in the report that "I was afraid for *MY* life" and excuse of "others" wasn't stated .. uponit7771 Jan 2022 #197

Oh, now you do have access to the report? PTWB Jan 2022 #205

No, again ... its his Chief speaking for him uponit7771 Jan 2022 #207

My mistake. PTWB Jan 2022 #210

Cop shouldn't have shot through the fence Bettie Jan 2022 #137

The cop fucked up by not announcing. Plus he saw the shots were going up in the air. The city will Celerity Jan 2022 #177

+1, I just looked at the video there's no barrel above the fence so how does the LEO even uponit7771 Jan 2022 #199

Uponit, please don't do this. PTWB Jan 2022 #209

Unn, I saw the wrong video from another thread or another post on this story but there's no uponit7771 Jan 2022 #212

How tall was the officer? PTWB Jan 2022 #213

Not taller than the bottom of the window it seems, I've changed my position to hard wait. I read uponit7771 Jan 2022 #215

We're just approaching this from two completely different viewpoints. PTWB Jan 2022 #219

No, my claim is I don't see a weapon on the other side of the fence ... PERIOD. uponit7771 Jan 2022 #222

I see where we're getting off track. PTWB Jan 2022 #223

We'll see, the initial report was skewed towards the police and I got the impression that a weapon uponit7771 Jan 2022 #224

The weapon was seen by police. PTWB Jan 2022 #225

There's no proof it was seen by the police at the time of the shooting, BC footage doesn't show uponit7771 Jan 2022 #227

Yes there is proof that the weapon was seen by the police. PTWB Jan 2022 #228

"The body camera picked up the muzzle blasts", I don't see a weapon. There's no amount of uponit7771 Jan 2022 #229

What do you think muzzle blasts are produced by if not a firearm? PTWB Jan 2022 #230

I don't see a muzzle in the video and there was opportunity to deescalate if there was uponit7771 Jan 2022 #231

You see numerous muzzle blasts in the video, yes? PTWB Jan 2022 #232

In the video I posted I see numerous blast and don't see a muzzle at all uponit7771 Jan 2022 #233

So you see the muzzle blasts. Good. PTWB Jan 2022 #234

No, I see blast you're defining them as muzzle blasts .. I don't see a weapon in the BC footage uponit7771 Jan 2022 #235

They're unequivocally muzzle blasts. PTWB Jan 2022 #236

Nah, could've easily been a fireworks cake ... can't see a muzzle. uponit7771 Jan 2022 #237

Goodness. PTWB Jan 2022 #238

Perhaps it was a high capacity semiautomatic Roman Candle. Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #239

I'm at a loss here. PTWB Jan 2022 #240

In my experience, there is no argument so absurd that someone will not make it on the Internet Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #243

Indeed. This one takes the fireworks cake. PTWB Jan 2022 #244

Oh yeah, the LEO better be ready to defend against that seeing Williams didn't die near a gun uponit7771 Jan 2022 #241

Have a look at the video here. PTWB Jan 2022 #242

Alright, I don't and I used to clean M16 muzzles as part of MOS. This shooting isn't clean enough uponit7771 Jan 2022 #246

This shooting is completely justified by every legal standard. PTWB Jan 2022 #247

Nah, LEO needlessly used deadly force he can't even argue he was in danger seeing no proof ... uponit7771 Jan 2022 #248

We will see indeed. PTWB Jan 2022 #249

"There is no debate about whether or not the suspect was shooting." Yes there is, there's no proof uponit7771 Jan 2022 #250

The officer could see his head on the other side of the fence. PTWB Jan 2022 #251

I don't see **WILLIAMS** head behind fence at time of shooting in BC video, and the LEO didn't say uponit7771 Jan 2022 #252

We've already established that what you see is not what the officer saw. PTWB Jan 2022 #253

"... He said he could see the suspect's head over the fence...." Could you point this out? tia uponit7771 Jan 2022 #254

Did you watch the video? PTWB Jan 2022 #255

I'm referring to at the time of the shooting could he see the person shooting was Williams, I don't uponit7771 Jan 2022 #256

That just doesn't make any sense to me. PTWB Jan 2022 #257

No, he didn't say he could ID the person on the other side of the fence once he rounded the corner uponit7771 Jan 2022 #258

Are you claiming someone else was the shooter now, or do you acknowledge that it was Williams? PTWB Jan 2022 #260

I don't know if it was Williams, I don't see his face on the other side of the fence and the LEO ... uponit7771 Jan 2022 #261

FIREWORKS CAKE AGAIN! PTWB Jan 2022 #262

YES, I'm not taking any word of this PD because their push was BS. They didn't do what the ABA uponit7771 Jan 2022 #263

So you think that someone other than Williams was shot by the police? PTWB Jan 2022 #264

No, I'm sure Williams was hit by LEO bullet ... or hell, even one of his own I'm just not ... uponit7771 Jan 2022 #265

What's your alternate theory then? PTWB Jan 2022 #266

1 would be Williams was hit by his own bullet or someone firing randomly in that hood ... uponit7771 Jan 2022 #267

Amazing! PTWB Jan 2022 #268

That's an important factor madville Jan 2022 #216

Indeed. PTWB Jan 2022 #220

One less idiot in the world madville Jan 2022 #218

Bottom line: Both the cop and the shooter made tragic errors. LuckyCharms Jan 2022 #245

4 is what I get sick of, that's sloppy policing. I'm not surprised at idiots doing idiot crap but .. uponit7771 Jan 2022 #259