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Calista241

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88. No matter what they do, even if they win both the house and the senate

Reply to uponit7771 (Reply #78)

Tue Jan 11, 2022, 06:57 PM

Jan 2022

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MANCHIN reiterated to reporters today that Senate rules changes should be done with a 67 vote... [View all] demmiblue Jan 2022 OP

Stupid shit wryter2000 Jan 2022 #1

But, but, but... "we need some good rules changes. We can do that together." demmiblue Jan 2022 #3

I. HATE. HIM. Trueblue1968 Jan 2022 #70

An obvious way to tank the discussion. aocommunalpunch Jan 2022 #2

Some can cause more damage as a Democrat than doc03 Jan 2022 #4

Careful... jcmaine72 Jan 2022 #7

Personally, I am one of the never-hiders when it comes to Manchin. demmiblue Jan 2022 #8

Same here! jcmaine72 Jan 2022 #13

Since the rules say no attacking Democratic public figures, you sorta have to vote to hide though Polybius Jan 2022 #69

I consider most of it well deserved criticism, not bashing or attacking. demmiblue Jan 2022 #83

Didn't mention anyone in particular just a thought doc03 Jan 2022 #37

No shit. dalton99a Jan 2022 #12

There is no senate rule that rule changes require 67 votes Takket Jan 2022 #5

Yes, there is. brooklynite Jan 2022 #17

The Senate is a continuing body, it does not re-adopt it's rules at beginning of each new Congress. tritsofme Jan 2022 #28

Yes, it does. In the same way it elects a Majority Leader every two years. brooklynite Jan 2022 #32

Nope, look it up. The Senate does not re-adopt it's rules, they continue. tritsofme Jan 2022 #47

Um...the standing rules of the Senate require 67 votes for a change. tritsofme Jan 2022 #30

So they can "establish a new precedent", which is essentially a rule change, DemocraticPatriot Jan 2022 #31

Yes, it's pretty goofy. tritsofme Jan 2022 #48

Manchin can go fuck himself PJMcK Jan 2022 #6

History won't be kind to that guy. nt oasis Jan 2022 #39

History doesn't matter PJMcK Jan 2022 #40

Nor Sinema, she is even more of a hardcore filibuster-lover than Manchin. She even wants a 60 vote Celerity Jan 2022 #50

Ugh!!!. I lost all respect for her after her thumbs down vote exhibition. nt oasis Jan 2022 #92

Tell manchin fine nykym Jan 2022 #9

Just keep adding another excuse for your stonewalling Biden's agenda! BlueJac Jan 2022 #10

but but but MOMFUDSKI Jan 2022 #11

Fkg shit head ... I hate this asshole almost as much as I hate the orange traitor Fullduplexxx Jan 2022 #14

*(&$%#!@)(&%##@) U Joe Manchin...... turbinetree Jan 2022 #15

When is his term over and will the party primary him? Emile Jan 2022 #16

We all understand that virtually no other Dem can be elected in WV. n/t demmiblue Jan 2022 #18

We all? Emile Jan 2022 #20

Then increase your understanding FBaggins Jan 2022 #25

I doubt very much that even Manchin can hold it in 2024.... DemocraticPatriot Jan 2022 #33

Bingo +1 Emile Jan 2022 #34

I doubt that he plans to FBaggins Jan 2022 #35

So the current Republican governor is going to run for Manchin' seat and Emile Jan 2022 #38

Not at all FBaggins Jan 2022 #49

I never said we threaten him with a primary to change his mind! Emile Jan 2022 #51

But you did say that you thought that another Democrat could beat him FBaggins Jan 2022 #55

I never said that. I said let the Democratic voters decide if they want a fake Emile Jan 2022 #58

See your post #20 FBaggins Jan 2022 #61

I stand corrected. Thread is getting long. Emile Jan 2022 #62

OK, Sparky. n/t demmiblue Jan 2022 #44

Sparky, is that some sort judgemental name calling smear? Emile Jan 2022 #53

... demmiblue Jan 2022 #84

. . Emile Jan 2022 #85

January 3, 2025 dalton99a Jan 2022 #19

zero chance manicdem Jan 2022 #42

How conservative? Will he have to be more conservative than the Republican candidate? Emile Jan 2022 #43

The stats manicdem Jan 2022 #45

So are you going to answer my question? Emile Jan 2022 #46

Depends manicdem Jan 2022 #54

So screw the Democratic voters in West Virginia, the only choice is two Republicans. Emile Jan 2022 #57

And a Republican has a 100% chance in WV in 2024 Polybius Jan 2022 #73

So we just give this seat up because we can't win with a Democrat? Emile Jan 2022 #74

Yeah Polybius Jan 2022 #76

Defeated without even trying! Emile Jan 2022 #79

I think what you are having trouble with dumbcat Jan 2022 #80

Not having any troubles at all. Your saying Republican voters Emile Jan 2022 #81

Continued... manicdem Jan 2022 #59

Are you afraid if the party primaries Manchin the West Virginia democrats Emile Jan 2022 #60

Different types of democrats manicdem Jan 2022 #65

Are you afraid? Emile Jan 2022 #66

Nope manicdem Jan 2022 #67

So it's smart not to allow WV Democratic voters a choice Emile Jan 2022 #68

tradeoff manicdem Jan 2022 #71

We are still talking about a primary race right? Emile Jan 2022 #72

General election matters manicdem Jan 2022 #75

If Manchin wins the primary your fears are over! Emile Jan 2022 #77

Who's paying him to sabotage the democratic agenda? Dave says Jan 2022 #21

Today all I'm hearing being reported is that Joe Biden is being boycotted in Georgia by Vinca Jan 2022 #22

How much clearer does he have to make it that he's never going to get to yes? Rob H. Jan 2022 #23

They're defending him qazplm135 Jan 2022 #26

Nope FBaggins Jan 2022 #27

Yep qazplm135 Jan 2022 #29

Amazing mind reading skills that you imagine you posess FBaggins Jan 2022 #36

Nah qazplm135 Jan 2022 #91

Evidence they agree with him? tia uponit7771 Jan 2022 #56

Then it's over JustAnotherGen Jan 2022 #24

If election reform passed today, the 2022 mid-terms would probably go ahead under the current rules. Calista241 Jan 2022 #64

What good would 2024 be if GQP gets back into power in 2022? They'll change every voting ... uponit7771 Jan 2022 #78

They can't change any federal voting laws dumbcat Jan 2022 #87

True, they don't need to change federal laws they're doing it at the state level. How can we win ... uponit7771 Jan 2022 #90

No matter what they do, even if they win both the house and the senate Calista241 Jan 2022 #88

Then that's still a net lose for 2024, the GQP has made RELEVANT inroads into skewing the voting... uponit7771 Jan 2022 #89

Why does it seem that Manchin holds more power than the President of the United States. IcyPeas Jan 2022 #41

There is nothing in the Constitution requiring it. LiberalFighter Jan 2022 #52

Fuck Joe Manchin. Tommymac Jan 2022 #63

This dog won't hunt Yandex Jan 2022 #82

pos. nt ecstatic Jan 2022 #86