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In reply to the discussion: Check out what Michael Moore has just posted on his FB page... [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)And the carbon footprint of Obama's city manse in Chicago is probably equivalent to the garage of the Moore behemoth. That thing is as obscene as the John Edwards white elephant.
Stop talking about people's weight--I didn't initiate a single, solitary word about the guy being fat, though others accused me of that. They do it repeatedly, to try to beat me down and distract from the simple fact that they do not like my opinion. They don't have to like my opinion, but playing fast and loose with accuracy is not cool at all, and something I would expect from the Other Team. It is revealing, though--I'm learning a lot about people from this thread. It's instructive.
A supermodel can be 'bloated'--so don't even go there; the terms are not equivalent.
MM is NOT a Democrat. It's not a question of "taking issue with a Democrat"--I hold him responsible for the W years and the deaths of thousands of young servicemen as a consequence. And then, he got rich off of W hatred. If we were looking back on the Gore presidency, MM would be a minor documentarian who hadn't yet sold his soul for riches.
If Obama does something stupid like, say, John Edwards did, I'd kick him to the curb in a heartbeat. But hypotheticals aren't the issue here--so your attempt to "gotcha" me with that question doesn't fly either. We know what MM did. I hope when he gets together with his buddy King Ralph he doesn't chuckle overmuch about all the money the GOP poured into Ralph's campaign. Too many people are dead that might have lived had he not played the clever, cap wearing upstart that riled up the low-info kids and the adults who want to be kids to waste their vote on a foul old bullshitter who is rich as Roosevelt and adapts a "poor man" facade to con his acolytes.
You don't like my opinion--fine. I could be an asshole and ask my angry, Moore-loving scolds questions like "Is your morality really that malleable?" or "Are you that easily swayed by style over substance?" but I don't see the point, because that shit never changes minds. People who are vested in MM's schtick will stay that way, because to become un-vested means that they were WRONG. I am old enough to be able to do that "WRONG" thing and realize it doesn't kill ya. It is possible to say "I was wrong" and the world will not end. See, I bought MM's bullshit too. I didn't like the Ralph Nader crap, but I watched the 911 film and chuckled. However, the more I looked at what he did in 2000, the more the body count piled up in Iraq and the Stan, the more I started thinking about how Al Gore would have approached environmental issues, like coal/fracking, etc., the more I realized that he's lacking a fundamental element of grace/moral integrity/common sense (pick one or all three) and I just don't give a shit about him. He's always mouthing off at the wrong time, he pretends it's all about issues, but it always seems to precede a book or a movie or some other profit-making enterprise. Step right up, eight bucks a seat! Getcher popcorn here!
If people cannot see that this guy cost us potentially the best opportunity to elect a president who had the will and the clout to really do something about environmental catastrophes on the horizon, that have the potential to really, really fuck up the generations that will follow us, I can't make the blind see. I should say "Gee, fuck it--I'll be dead by then; fill up my gas guzzler with triple-leaded gas!" but I don't play that way. I drive an old subcompact car, I recycle, I turn down the heat, I do all the shit that is supposed to help the environment and delay the day of reckoning for generations I will never live to know. It's a MORAL issue with me. If I did otherwise, I'd feel like I had a hand in murdering future generations. I also think President Gore wouldn't have engaged in a stupid war of choice, either. Many lives would have been spared. But hey, MM is "cool" and he "speaks truth to power" (even though he IS power--he's that One Percent those OWS kids warned you about). I don't find him particularly cool or truthful--I think he started out well-meaning and was seduced by the money and fame, he traded his integrity for a lake house and NYC real estate and other assets totalling many, many millions, and he's not on a moral high ground anymore with me anymore--but, unlike my angry, MM worshipping detractors, I would not call people "insane" or "on drugs" or a host of other rather petty and shitty insults for holding a view of him that differs from mine.
If I didn't answer any questions you might still have about my POV on this matter in this essay, let me know.