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wnylib

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71. I think he knew that ultimately an

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:25 PM

Jan 2022

attempted coup would not work. I don't think he ever seriously considered joining the coup. He consulted with other people in order to find a neutral path through it and came up with "just doing my job."

Sure, he considered his own political future. But I don't believe that he ever wavered. He just sought a way to avoid doing what was demanded of him.

I don't like the guy, his pompous religiosity, or his politics. His motives probably were personal rather than patriotic. But under the circumstances, his actions did require more courage than I would have thought he had in him.

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Pence's discomfort documented: he altered parliamentary procedure to thwart the coup plotters [View all] kpete Jan 2022 OP

Get thee to the greatest page RFN malaise Jan 2022 #1

Get thee to the greatest page RFN malaise Jan 2022 #2

Which means he knew what was happening, yes? Solly Mack Jan 2022 #3

Yes. And he needs to publicly testify. C_U_L8R Jan 2022 #4

He does need to testify, I agree. Solly Mack Jan 2022 #17

Facing death/kidnapping focuses the mind. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #6

He knew for sure... ewagner Jan 2022 #9

Initially yes it appears that Trump tried to get Pence onboard. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #11

Ofc tRump tried to get Pence on board. The VP is the lynchpin of the count...pun intended. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #28

I think he had to be told directly since everyone knew what Trump expected from him. Solly Mack Jan 2022 #19

Yes but some parts were kept secret from Pence. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #20

All the "Hang Mike Pence" chants probably gave him some clues. Solly Mack Jan 2022 #38

Even Pence couldn't miss those. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #40

It appears so PatSeg Jan 2022 #10

By all the wide smiles on the faces of some GOP MOC during 1/6 it appears Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #12

And why didn't he tell anyone? Why did he wait until it was obvious the violent mob Solly Mack Jan 2022 #15

He kept quiet because he didn't want to harm his presidential chances Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #22

Yep, I think you're right PatSeg Jan 2022 #29

Yes it was a big gamble for him. That is why he was calling people for help and advice. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #31

The part where he called other people PatSeg Jan 2022 #39

Yes the quest for power and wealth is like an obsession or addiction. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #43

And in Pence's case PatSeg Jan 2022 #49

Right, no idea if his God thing is real or an act. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #53

I do think he is a "believer" PatSeg Jan 2022 #58

Right, that is why they are more dangerous than the fake ones. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #59

Exactly PatSeg Jan 2022 #62

Precisely. Power corrupts, & absolute powwr corrupts absolutely. onetexan Jan 2022 #101

Yes, things could have started out PatSeg Jan 2022 #109

Hopefully he will testify. Solly Mack Jan 2022 #37

Maybe he is afraid his life will be threatened again if he testifies honestly. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #47

Yes and I think he has good reason to be afraid PatSeg Jan 2022 #50

Yep. His life certainly could be in danger if he comes out of his bunker. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #56

Just imagine what kind of security PatSeg Jan 2022 #60

Right, I don't know if he has lifetime SS protection or not. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #61

Apparently, it is only up to six months PatSeg Jan 2022 #65

I haven't heard any talk about extending the SS protection. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #67

Apparently there was a bill introduced last year, PatSeg Jan 2022 #72

I can't find any outcome on it either. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #75

I wonder too PatSeg Jan 2022 #95

I read that when he left Wash DC, he didn't even own a house. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #97

Obviously, he didn't anticipate PatSeg Jan 2022 #33

We'll know when we know, I guess. Solly Mack Jan 2022 #35

Yes, that's true PatSeg Jan 2022 #42

All true. I want to know before my time ends, too. Solly Mack Jan 2022 #44

Ah well, it gives us a reason to hang in there then! PatSeg Jan 2022 #51

Oh. I remember Watergate as a mid-late teens... electric_blue68 Jan 2022 #103

I guess we need to rethink PatSeg Jan 2022 #110

You can go to jail for not telling the proper authorities. L. Coyote Jan 2022 #52

Thank you. Solly Mack Jan 2022 #55

Thanks! Now, the GOP certificates of 5 states got sent to their district courts. So ancianita Jan 2022 #107

Put yourself in Pence's shoes. Who wnylib Jan 2022 #63

Please inthewind21 Jan 2022 #78

Dan Quayle, evidently. Grasswire2 Jan 2022 #96

Yes, that's who he called for advice on how wnylib Jan 2022 #98

It's almost as if Electoral College Certification discovered double-entry accounting bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #26

We'll know soon enough. Solly Mack Jan 2022 #41

I wonder if Pence consulted with the wnylib Jan 2022 #64

Would you please explain what you mean by the "double-entry accounting" reference? Sogo Jan 2022 #79

Double-entry bookkeeping - debits and credits bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #80

Excellent! Great point! Sogo Jan 2022 #81

It didn't take a lot of "discovery" -- it was publicly announced in December 2020 onenote Jan 2022 #85

Yes and yes. Trump Pence obviously, and many others knew of the plot and the mechanics. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #27

It wasn't a secret that these fake certifications had been sent. onenote Jan 2022 #84

Yes. I remember when it first hit the news. Solly Mack Jan 2022 #86

K&R leighbythesea2 Jan 2022 #5

How real was the hanging threat? Might have been wnylib Jan 2022 #66

The other person who needs to be called to testify is Grassley. Lonestarblue Jan 2022 #7

GOP Sen. Chuck Grassley on Tuesday generated a whirlwind of confusion among reporters and on social kpete Jan 2022 #8

Maybe that was part of the plan, Pence not showing up on 1/6. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #13

he must have found a spine in all the excitment. Now, not so much. Evolve Dammit Jan 2022 #14

I wonder bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #23

Mike Pence already knew what they were trying to do FakeNoose Jan 2022 #16

Who could he tell? All of Trump's circle and wnylib Jan 2022 #68

How about the New York Times, CNN or The Washington Post? FakeNoose Jan 2022 #69

I think that his behavior on Jan 6 wnylib Jan 2022 #73

My first reaction too. He saved us. But he could have Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2022 #88

Wow! I am disliking him a little less. nt leftyladyfrommo Jan 2022 #18

Pence took his job seriously, seeking advice from Dan Quayle bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #21

The fact he was calling around meant he hadn't made up his mind at that point. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #25

I think he knew that ultimately an wnylib Jan 2022 #71

Yes more than I expected of him in terms of courage and reality based thinking. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #74

Politically, his future would have been wnylib Jan 2022 #76

Right he was in a no win situation for him personally and politically. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #77

Makes me glad that I did not accidentally run mr. potato over when I had the chance. niyad Jan 2022 #30

IKR? sdfernando Jan 2022 #54

Some Will Never Give Pence Any Credit For His 1/6 Actions But It's Clear He Performed Admirably Indykatie Jan 2022 #24

Wait. People who think he should talk to the commission or have questions about why he didn't tell MrsCoffee Jan 2022 #36

I will always be thankful that Pence did act in an honorable way that helped save our Republic Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #99

Putin probably concocted that whole plan. C Moon Jan 2022 #32

Trump lets people know what he wants and the henchmen work out the details. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #45

This is why I don't think the Trump campaign was behind the false elector documents. Calista241 Jan 2022 #34

In my view if the plot succeeded bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #46

Exactly DENVERPOPS Jan 2022 #92

Trump and Miller publicly took credit for the idea back in December 2020 onenote Jan 2022 #87

It was widely reported over a year ago the Trump Campaign was coordinating the fake electors Kaleva Jan 2022 #105

KnR Hekate Jan 2022 #48

what am i missing? barbtries Jan 2022 #57

no idea where the wording stopdiggin Jan 2022 #89

You can see where Pence changed the wording from what Dan Quayle had advised him Mr. Ected Jan 2022 #70

WELL. dchill Jan 2022 #82

KR Cha Jan 2022 #83

Does that mean he knew they were forging ballots for electors? kentuck Jan 2022 #90

Yes he knew FakeNoose Jan 2022 #93

Everyone knew. onenote Jan 2022 #102

Does that make it legal now? kentuck Jan 2022 #108

No. Did I say it did? onenote Jan 2022 #111

Correct - it was very public and reported on. David__77 Jan 2022 #113

With This Out There, Why in the Hell is Pence A-feared of Testifying? The Roux Comes First Jan 2022 #91

Maybe he's getting death threats? FakeNoose Jan 2022 #94

Excellent Point, Especially Since Fauci and Others Are Being Likewise Harassed The Roux Comes First Jan 2022 #100

I believe moniss Jan 2022 #104

This was most likely the BlueMTexpat Jan 2022 #106

I'd like to think Pence told Mother and she said she'd divorce him if he cheated on Jan 6. ancianita Jan 2022 #112