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wnylib

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73. I think that his behavior on Jan 6

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:30 PM

Jan 2022

did show that he was not on board with the coup.

What would have been accomplished by going to the media? How would the media have presented it and how would the public and political officials have reacted?

Going to the media would not have stopped the coup plans. Showing up and refusing to play the role that the coup planners had scripted for him accomplished the goal of thwarting the coup. Finding a way around it worked. I don't like the guy or his politics, but he played a master chess move that the media could never have done.

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Pence's discomfort documented: he altered parliamentary procedure to thwart the coup plotters [View all] kpete Jan 2022 OP

Get thee to the greatest page RFN malaise Jan 2022 #1

Get thee to the greatest page RFN malaise Jan 2022 #2

Which means he knew what was happening, yes? Solly Mack Jan 2022 #3

Yes. And he needs to publicly testify. C_U_L8R Jan 2022 #4

He does need to testify, I agree. Solly Mack Jan 2022 #17

Facing death/kidnapping focuses the mind. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #6

He knew for sure... ewagner Jan 2022 #9

Initially yes it appears that Trump tried to get Pence onboard. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #11

Ofc tRump tried to get Pence on board. The VP is the lynchpin of the count...pun intended. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #28

I think he had to be told directly since everyone knew what Trump expected from him. Solly Mack Jan 2022 #19

Yes but some parts were kept secret from Pence. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #20

All the "Hang Mike Pence" chants probably gave him some clues. Solly Mack Jan 2022 #38

Even Pence couldn't miss those. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #40

It appears so PatSeg Jan 2022 #10

By all the wide smiles on the faces of some GOP MOC during 1/6 it appears Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #12

And why didn't he tell anyone? Why did he wait until it was obvious the violent mob Solly Mack Jan 2022 #15

He kept quiet because he didn't want to harm his presidential chances Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #22

Yep, I think you're right PatSeg Jan 2022 #29

Yes it was a big gamble for him. That is why he was calling people for help and advice. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #31

The part where he called other people PatSeg Jan 2022 #39

Yes the quest for power and wealth is like an obsession or addiction. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #43

And in Pence's case PatSeg Jan 2022 #49

Right, no idea if his God thing is real or an act. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #53

I do think he is a "believer" PatSeg Jan 2022 #58

Right, that is why they are more dangerous than the fake ones. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #59

Exactly PatSeg Jan 2022 #62

Precisely. Power corrupts, & absolute powwr corrupts absolutely. onetexan Jan 2022 #101

Yes, things could have started out PatSeg Jan 2022 #109

Hopefully he will testify. Solly Mack Jan 2022 #37

Maybe he is afraid his life will be threatened again if he testifies honestly. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #47

Yes and I think he has good reason to be afraid PatSeg Jan 2022 #50

Yep. His life certainly could be in danger if he comes out of his bunker. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #56

Just imagine what kind of security PatSeg Jan 2022 #60

Right, I don't know if he has lifetime SS protection or not. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #61

Apparently, it is only up to six months PatSeg Jan 2022 #65

I haven't heard any talk about extending the SS protection. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #67

Apparently there was a bill introduced last year, PatSeg Jan 2022 #72

I can't find any outcome on it either. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #75

I wonder too PatSeg Jan 2022 #95

I read that when he left Wash DC, he didn't even own a house. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #97

Obviously, he didn't anticipate PatSeg Jan 2022 #33

We'll know when we know, I guess. Solly Mack Jan 2022 #35

Yes, that's true PatSeg Jan 2022 #42

All true. I want to know before my time ends, too. Solly Mack Jan 2022 #44

Ah well, it gives us a reason to hang in there then! PatSeg Jan 2022 #51

Oh. I remember Watergate as a mid-late teens... electric_blue68 Jan 2022 #103

I guess we need to rethink PatSeg Jan 2022 #110

You can go to jail for not telling the proper authorities. L. Coyote Jan 2022 #52

Thank you. Solly Mack Jan 2022 #55

Thanks! Now, the GOP certificates of 5 states got sent to their district courts. So ancianita Jan 2022 #107

Put yourself in Pence's shoes. Who wnylib Jan 2022 #63

Please inthewind21 Jan 2022 #78

Dan Quayle, evidently. Grasswire2 Jan 2022 #96

Yes, that's who he called for advice on how wnylib Jan 2022 #98

It's almost as if Electoral College Certification discovered double-entry accounting bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #26

We'll know soon enough. Solly Mack Jan 2022 #41

I wonder if Pence consulted with the wnylib Jan 2022 #64

Would you please explain what you mean by the "double-entry accounting" reference? Sogo Jan 2022 #79

Double-entry bookkeeping - debits and credits bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #80

Excellent! Great point! Sogo Jan 2022 #81

It didn't take a lot of "discovery" -- it was publicly announced in December 2020 onenote Jan 2022 #85

Yes and yes. Trump Pence obviously, and many others knew of the plot and the mechanics. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #27

It wasn't a secret that these fake certifications had been sent. onenote Jan 2022 #84

Yes. I remember when it first hit the news. Solly Mack Jan 2022 #86

K&R leighbythesea2 Jan 2022 #5

How real was the hanging threat? Might have been wnylib Jan 2022 #66

The other person who needs to be called to testify is Grassley. Lonestarblue Jan 2022 #7

GOP Sen. Chuck Grassley on Tuesday generated a whirlwind of confusion among reporters and on social kpete Jan 2022 #8

Maybe that was part of the plan, Pence not showing up on 1/6. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #13

he must have found a spine in all the excitment. Now, not so much. Evolve Dammit Jan 2022 #14

I wonder bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #23

Mike Pence already knew what they were trying to do FakeNoose Jan 2022 #16

Who could he tell? All of Trump's circle and wnylib Jan 2022 #68

How about the New York Times, CNN or The Washington Post? FakeNoose Jan 2022 #69

I think that his behavior on Jan 6 wnylib Jan 2022 #73

My first reaction too. He saved us. But he could have Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2022 #88

Wow! I am disliking him a little less. nt leftyladyfrommo Jan 2022 #18

Pence took his job seriously, seeking advice from Dan Quayle bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #21

The fact he was calling around meant he hadn't made up his mind at that point. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #25

I think he knew that ultimately an wnylib Jan 2022 #71

Yes more than I expected of him in terms of courage and reality based thinking. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #74

Politically, his future would have been wnylib Jan 2022 #76

Right he was in a no win situation for him personally and politically. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #77

Makes me glad that I did not accidentally run mr. potato over when I had the chance. niyad Jan 2022 #30

IKR? sdfernando Jan 2022 #54

Some Will Never Give Pence Any Credit For His 1/6 Actions But It's Clear He Performed Admirably Indykatie Jan 2022 #24

Wait. People who think he should talk to the commission or have questions about why he didn't tell MrsCoffee Jan 2022 #36

I will always be thankful that Pence did act in an honorable way that helped save our Republic Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #99

Putin probably concocted that whole plan. C Moon Jan 2022 #32

Trump lets people know what he wants and the henchmen work out the details. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #45

This is why I don't think the Trump campaign was behind the false elector documents. Calista241 Jan 2022 #34

In my view if the plot succeeded bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #46

Exactly DENVERPOPS Jan 2022 #92

Trump and Miller publicly took credit for the idea back in December 2020 onenote Jan 2022 #87

It was widely reported over a year ago the Trump Campaign was coordinating the fake electors Kaleva Jan 2022 #105

KnR Hekate Jan 2022 #48

what am i missing? barbtries Jan 2022 #57

no idea where the wording stopdiggin Jan 2022 #89

You can see where Pence changed the wording from what Dan Quayle had advised him Mr. Ected Jan 2022 #70

WELL. dchill Jan 2022 #82

KR Cha Jan 2022 #83

Does that mean he knew they were forging ballots for electors? kentuck Jan 2022 #90

Yes he knew FakeNoose Jan 2022 #93

Everyone knew. onenote Jan 2022 #102

Does that make it legal now? kentuck Jan 2022 #108

No. Did I say it did? onenote Jan 2022 #111

Correct - it was very public and reported on. David__77 Jan 2022 #113

With This Out There, Why in the Hell is Pence A-feared of Testifying? The Roux Comes First Jan 2022 #91

Maybe he's getting death threats? FakeNoose Jan 2022 #94

Excellent Point, Especially Since Fauci and Others Are Being Likewise Harassed The Roux Comes First Jan 2022 #100

I believe moniss Jan 2022 #104

This was most likely the BlueMTexpat Jan 2022 #106

I'd like to think Pence told Mother and she said she'd divorce him if he cheated on Jan 6. ancianita Jan 2022 #112