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Nixie

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20. Yes, a lot of truth to this. This is why they probably benefitted

Sun Jan 16, 2022, 10:45 AM

Jan 2022

from fighting with the “progressives” initially. They saw they couldn’t win Democratic primaries, so no need to cater to a far left negotiation strategy in their red home states. It probably helped them with red state voters to be seen as fighting the far left. Attacking them from the left was a mistake.

Plus, they might have just gotten plain old-fashioned stubborn. Neither one liked the two bills being linked, the BIF and the BBB, and that seemed to be where they both started just getting extra stubborn. If you look at the election results, they saw the electorate preferred Biden’s middle-of-the-road approach. All this is a result of the two bills being linked—a really bad idea.

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One reason Sinema and Manchin vote the way they do? [View all] kentuck Jan 2022 OP

Manchin & Sinema will lose their power -- That's why they are against filibuster reforms. TheBlackAdder Jan 2022 #1

I think there are more senators who are against the filibuster. They merely don't say it because Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #7

There are, every Republican. TheBlackAdder Jan 2022 #8

There are also other Democrats who aren't certain "yes" votes for filibuster reform. brooklynite Jan 2022 #19

we need to know who they are and primary them dsc Jan 2022 #22

I think you are right. Hangingon Jan 2022 #28

I think Democrats would end the filibuster bill for voting rights...if the votes are there. Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #34

Also, Manchin and Sinema would not lose power but gain it with the filibuster gone because Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #9

Once there are more Democratic senators, they become neutered. Rep. Gallego might challenge her. TheBlackAdder Jan 2022 #10

And where will these Senators come from? I see a few opportunities but not many. Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #35

That's not worth voting rights. n/t aocommunalpunch Jan 2022 #2

And when the GOP gets back in and they may, they destroy voting right anyway...you have to Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #6

Joe and kris pamdb Jan 2022 #3

"Kris is making a lot of money" Septua Jan 2022 #24

Great post moniss Jan 2022 #30

I agree with you Kentuck...and we need for them to keep their seats. Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #4

Manchin is being Tickle Jan 2022 #5

Nope they are greedy, power hungry and don't care about POC or their country. mucifer Jan 2022 #11

Whether or not we care to admit it... kentuck Jan 2022 #12

The problem is the laws allow them to legally get bought out mucifer Jan 2022 #15

The Golden Rule kentuck Jan 2022 #16

Lots of countries have made laws that control this behavior. It shouldn't be accepted mucifer Jan 2022 #17

So is Mark Kelly going against his self-interest? Doc Sportello Jan 2022 #21

" And there's also the fact that Kelly is a much more grounded person than Sinema.." kentuck Jan 2022 #23

Senator Kelly will run in the midterm unlike Senator Sinema thus unless we have the votes, I would Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #36

Arizona is not the same as West Virginia . Biden won Arizona and so did Kelly for Senate JI7 Jan 2022 #13

Do you think she should be primaried? kentuck Jan 2022 #14

YEs, if we want to keep that seat Democratic she should be Primaried and a Democrat with a better JI7 Jan 2022 #18

She runs in 24. Kelly will run this year. Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #37

Yes, a lot of truth to this. This is why they probably benefitted Nixie Jan 2022 #20

When their terms expire, they are done! Might as well primary Emile Jan 2022 #25

No need to waste resources on primarying Manchin...not one else can win that seat. And should Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #38

Still pretending he is the only one who can win that seat. At the same time Emile Jan 2022 #39

One reason? RW money sent to their campaigns. machoneman Jan 2022 #26

Their votes have absolutely nothing to do with the feelings or views of their states' voters. LonePirate Jan 2022 #27

You have given moniss Jan 2022 #29

Using this logic Diablo del sol Jan 2022 #31

She knows right from wrong, yet has decided on wrong, damn the consequences. BeckyDem Jan 2022 #32

What other Democrats? Xoan Jan 2022 #33