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TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
98. What the fuck is the deal with the no accountability and no responsibility for elected officials
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 02:44 AM
Jan 2012

We elect people to do nothing (or even plenty of shit we stridently disagree with) but it is the most important thing ever that they be elected and if we really want anything to be done (or even stoo the heinous shit) we have to shut down the system that the most important thing in the world is to prop it up.

There is also fear and that fear is driven by the issues he admits need to be addressed won't be except by the delusional institutional racist giving the impression to too many that that is the only way to them leading to the popularity of a toxic and unworkable ideology increasing so he must flog a largely imaginary dead horse.

His answer is for the people to shut the motherfucker down until those pulling the strings knuckle under rather than to force representation from the fuckers we are paying and vote for or even to expect such. Afterall, that ain't their job (for whatever reason), they are omnipotent hood ornaments or some such.

I also don't understand the confidence that civil rights can be maintained as civil liberties are erroded?
Being disappeared or murdered on a man's whim regardless of race, gender, orientation, religion, or creed rings hollow to me. Nothing to do with Paul who would kick such power down to the Governor, Mayor, CEO, or bossman. Same with the drug war. The hot wars may be ruled by the same jacked up delusions but in real world terms such a swich over would require a tremendous paradigm shift, mostly of the corporations footing the bills and having to work the inducements to bring in the fodder and the profit center for all the hardware without leaning on notions of patriotism. I don't think the libertarian ideology applies in ways that those that profit from and drive the war machine would prefer at all, even resource wars must be socialized to turn massive profits. You can run the merc scam for the personnel to an extent but there is no real way to replace all of those hard billions each and every year or the fervor of nation. None the less, the undertow would suck down everything else the Federal government does with it.

No, there is no belief in an ideology that was dead on arrival, despite being born in a time when slavery, monopoly, and a complete lack of functional oversight were easy options for those so inclined.

I think the guy that wrote the piece is to smart to participate in this bogus ass argument that has to override clear declaration to even have a reason to exist other than the political equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and screaming. I also think he is too bright for all the privileged position stuff when he examines peoples motivations based on their arguments on a position. While fully aware of the institutionalized racial oppression, at this point an end is goal not fairness. Understanding the whys would seem to bring the understanding that that which is built on such a foundation is beyond any redemption, his sense of the issues is correct but not always the only or even the most important reasoning.

If you want to oppose the right answers for the wrong reasons, I can respect that but getting bugged about different good reasons (even without particular consideration to yours) is beyond my range or desire for such. I almost want to say he at least infers that you are akin to the wrong reason, I'm not sure but am left with the question for sure.

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race-baiting trash cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #1
The essay? Are you familiar with his work? Did you read the whole piece or just the snip I posted? PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #2
You should get more acquainted with Tim Wise's work. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #18
read up on him... it's worth it fascisthunter Jan 2012 #55
can someone provide a list of liberals and progressives who are allegedly supporting paul? frylock Jan 2012 #3
No kidding... 99Forever Jan 2012 #4
It's the cult of the moment to emphasize how much against him you are. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #13
That's funny! hootinholler Jan 2012 #49
South Asia? JackRiddler Jan 2012 #53
Wow, Mr. Wise does not pull his punches... Spazito Jan 2012 #5
He never does, his essays are always powerful. PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #7
I am definitely going to make a point of reading his essays from now on... Spazito Jan 2012 #8
DU rec! LoZoccolo Jan 2012 #6
Time Wise deserves a lifetime service award from every black organization (imho) Number23 Jan 2012 #9
Ah yes, that bogie man Paul, MadHound Jan 2012 #10
lol, if you think Tim Wise is a 'liberal basher', you're very very wrong. PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #11
Well, given that he is liberal bashing in this piece, MadHound Jan 2012 #17
Oh please ProSense Jan 2012 #19
First of all, the notion that "some liberals" are "fawning" over Paul is simply a stalking horse MadHound Jan 2012 #21
Nobody on DU wants to post written articles by these assholes. Did you lose your Google CD-ROM? PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #23
Well, how about you PM the names of white liberals of minimal influence that are supporting Paul. Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #27
Edited as I responded to wrong post. Spazito Jan 2012 #31
see my post down the thread DonCoquixote Jan 2012 #142
Yeah ProSense Jan 2012 #32
actually, people are using paul as a stalking horse to trash obama. first it was DK, then elizabeth dionysus Jan 2012 #33
+1. n/t FSogol Jan 2012 #110
See post #97 stevenleser Jan 2012 #104
See post #115 frylock Jan 2012 #116
See post #122 stevenleser Jan 2012 #130
which liberals are "fawning" over ron paul? frylock Jan 2012 #34
Sure, ProSense Jan 2012 #37
i didn't ask for one of your circular links.. frylock Jan 2012 #40
Well, ProSense Jan 2012 #42
okay, i'm gonna type this reeeeeeal slow-like so you can fully understand.. frylock Jan 2012 #43
Since ProSense Jan 2012 #44
which liberals are "fawning" over ron paul? frylock Jan 2012 #59
You will never get an answer. And yet that NonAnswer is celebrated on DU as "facts". Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #95
You'd have better luck asking a Coke machine. Union Scribe Jan 2012 #145
See post #97 stevenleser Jan 2012 #105
See post #115 frylock Jan 2012 #117
See post #122 stevenleser Jan 2012 #131
It's not a liberal bashing piece. PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #22
Paul has become the convenient shorthand of Obama diehards. MadHound Jan 2012 #25
lol. PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #26
Gosh, that almost reads like a defense of him... Spazito Jan 2012 #28
Madhound, I usually agree with you... markpkessinger Jan 2012 #60
still waiting on that list of "liberals who support Paul" frylock Jan 2012 #35
Did you, too, lose your Google CD-ROM? PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #38
then it should be real simple for you to provide names. right? frylock Jan 2012 #41
we liberals are part of the new Red Scare! fascisthunter Jan 2012 #67
are you now, or have you ever been a supporter of ron paul? frylock Jan 2012 #69
Hier ist mein Paperz!!!!! fascisthunter Jan 2012 #72
Someone even took the time to collect dissident posts. It's a long ass list... Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #96
Have you consorted with TEH GLENN GREEWALD!1!?? kenny blankenship Jan 2012 #153
Considering the author mentions Glenn Greenwald in his freaking article Number23 Jan 2012 #54
so anything Glenn Greenwald is YOUR Problem? fascisthunter Jan 2012 #58
Darling, PLEASE try to keep up if you are going to continue running around DU Number23 Jan 2012 #71
haha... you are full of it fascisthunter Jan 2012 #74
If by "it" you mean disgust at simple-minded people that want to argue and disagree Number23 Jan 2012 #76
the ironing is delicious frylock Jan 2012 #79
If I give you $5 a cookie, will you pester someone else? Number23 Jan 2012 #83
nah, i'm cool frylock Jan 2012 #85
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #146
Still arguing with yourself, I see Number23 Jan 2012 #147
okay! we got some names.. frylock Jan 2012 #62
If you read the damned article, you'd get the very thing you are trying your absolute HARDEST Number23 Jan 2012 #73
we've been over the greenwald argument for what? 3 weeks now? frylock Jan 2012 #78
I can see why Spazito is about to bust a gut laughing at you down thread Number23 Jan 2012 #81
you're making an argument in defense of the article man! frylock Jan 2012 #87
See post #97 stevenleser Jan 2012 #103
See post #115 frylock Jan 2012 #118
See post #122 stevenleser Jan 2012 #132
See post #97 stevenleser Jan 2012 #106
See post #115 frylock Jan 2012 #119
See post #122 stevenleser Jan 2012 #133
Yeah, it is. No liberals are supporting Ron Paul eridani Jan 2012 #102
See post #97 stevenleser Jan 2012 #107
See post #115 frylock Jan 2012 #120
If Wise is bashing any Liberals he's bashing those who MicaelS Jan 2012 #24
But alll those liberal Paul supporters are a simply not named... Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #36
This passage is sublime Number23 Jan 2012 #12
Yup, that sums it up. PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #14
Oh, and his closing para is a VERY close second Number23 Jan 2012 #16
Ouch! Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #15
K&R BumRushDaShow Jan 2012 #20
Strange he used the TSA & weed as examples raouldukelives Jan 2012 #29
Read the whole piece. PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #30
I totally get that raouldukelives Jan 2012 #128
Love Love Tim Wise! 1stlady Jan 2012 #39
K&R SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #45
Idiot Ron Paul has the democratic establishment crapping their pants whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #46
Actually, if you read the thread, it is not people supporting the article... Spazito Jan 2012 #48
Crapping their whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #50
Yep, all the 'give me a list' stuff I'm starting to see... Spazito Jan 2012 #51
Tim Wise whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #52
Anything but what??? Spazito Jan 2012 #56
Wise :D whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #57
That was very...... Spazito Jan 2012 #64
i know! wanting people to back up their shit.. frylock Jan 2012 #64
You want names of exactly who? and from whom? and why? Spazito Jan 2012 #68
names of the "liberals and progressives" that support ron paul.. frylock Jan 2012 #70
It is Mr. Wise that makes that claim in his article... Spazito Jan 2012 #75
the argument here is what, exactly, defines support.. frylock Jan 2012 #77
Well, your posts are using the word "support" when asking for names... Spazito Jan 2012 #82
why would i email mr. wise when his evangelists are to answer instead? frylock Jan 2012 #84
I have tried to help you find the answers you seem to want quite badly.... Spazito Jan 2012 #86
here's the answer. there is no answer. why? because these supporters don't exist.. frylock Jan 2012 #88
ROFL... Spazito Jan 2012 #89
Try this LINK: FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #90
jeesus.. frylock Jan 2012 #92
here you go DonCoquixote Jan 2012 #97
>Crickets< stevenleser Jan 2012 #108
so they've stated, unequivically, that they's be voting for paul.. frylock Jan 2012 #115
Perhaps you should read the OP article. Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #122
I quoted the end of the article DonCoquixote Jan 2012 #152
"support"? Plantsmantx Jan 2012 #127
right?! it's positively laughable! frylock Jan 2012 #63
Seems like a strawman... MellowDem Jan 2012 #47
nobody seem to know who these "liberals and progressives" are.. frylock Jan 2012 #66
..... Capn Sunshine Jan 2012 #144
The self-identified liberals and possibly Democrats who voted for Ron Paul in NH? joshcryer Jan 2012 #148
See post #97 above. stevenleser Jan 2012 #109
See post #115 frylock Jan 2012 #121
See post #122 stevenleser Jan 2012 #129
Can anyone show that there such supporters? Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #61
It's the craziest shit to me jsmirman Jan 2012 #100
Not sure what you are speaking of? I don't like Paul, and my point is that anyone Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #114
I was agreeing with you, pretty much completely jsmirman Jan 2012 #123
Tim Wise is one of my favorites JI7 Jan 2012 #80
I just wonder if he would allow gay people to have the same feelings dsc Jan 2012 #91
This is a most excellent question. Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #113
An amazingly good question cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #125
Absolutely ProSense Jan 2012 #137
you have repeatedly brought up 1992 dsc Jan 2012 #138
I'm ProSense Jan 2012 #139
I don't know what the CGI is dsc Jan 2012 #140
K and R DonCoquixote Jan 2012 #93
and just in case people forgot to read this DonCoquixote Jan 2012 #94
I can only speak for myself as to why I deliberately didn't name Greenwald... Spazito Jan 2012 #124
Exactly. It is so much more fulfilling apparently for some to run up and down Number23 Jan 2012 #135
Yep, I have to say I found it absolutely hilarious... Spazito Jan 2012 #136
What the fuck is the deal with the no accountability and no responsibility for elected officials TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #98
"omnipotent hood ornaments".. Fumesucker Jan 2012 #101
he never told people to shut up DonCoquixote Jan 2012 #143
Home Run for Tim. joshcryer Jan 2012 #99
K & R. n/t FSogol Jan 2012 #111
Oh, I looked all through Good Reads before posting this article there this AM Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #112
How will...which black people feel? Plantsmantx Jan 2012 #126
Posted ProSense Jan 2012 #134
I can get behind this. Arkana Jan 2012 #141
thank you for this! nofurylike Jan 2012 #149
K&R Bobbie Jo Jan 2012 #150
K & R Scurrilous Jan 2012 #151
And who are all these liberals who are supposedly praising Ron Paul??? Beacool Jan 2012 #154
Everyone who is not actively worshipping Obama is implicitly supporting Ron Paul kenny blankenship Jan 2012 #155
Yeah, it seems that way. Beacool Jan 2012 #156
Hmm... Plantsmantx Jan 2012 #157
Good point. Beacool Jan 2012 #158
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