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Coventina

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17. Art History

Fri Jan 28, 2022, 02:36 PM

Jan 2022

Yes, in-class participation is a big part of their grade.

A few absences wouldn't be a big deal, but a lot of absences would make a big impact.

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A student just accused me of being "Culturally insensitive" [View all] Coventina Jan 2022 OP

Open letter coming soon! greenjar_01 Jan 2022 #1

Every other school absence requires paperwork or a parental note. Old Term: No Doc, No Problem TheBlackAdder Jan 2022 #172

Per chance is this a teen? Throck Jan 2022 #2

Sometimes the same family member dies twice dalton99a Jan 2022 #3

Yes, I get a flock of dead grandmothers almost every semester. Coventina Jan 2022 #7

Yes, isn't it amazing PatSeg Jan 2022 #10

Up to 8, actually. Divorced kids, parents both remarry when kids are young, totally possible, lostnfound Jan 2022 #151

Oh yes, it is entirely possible PatSeg Jan 2022 #154

Remember MASH treestar Jan 2022 #69

3 questions: Tetrachloride Jan 2022 #4

My answers: Coventina Jan 2022 #5

I conclude that your request was more than reasonable Tetrachloride Jan 2022 #14

Moot point SheltieLover Jan 2022 #6

Immediate is a real, individual thing, in addition to a bureaucratic definition. Hortensis Jan 2022 #19

I don't know Dorian Gray Jan 2022 #83

It's increasingly common not to have any service, especially in the age of CV19 Maru Kitteh Jan 2022 #8

I had a uncle die, cremated, no service, and no obituary. Lars39 Jan 2022 #11

Yikes. That's kinda sad. Wingus Dingus Jan 2022 #26

I know. Lars39 Jan 2022 #31

Sounds to me like she got caught out in a lie and is salty about it. Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #9

This. BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #22

That's why an administrator should handle these requests. BradAllison Jan 2022 #104

You didn't ask her to wheel in the body? Behind the Aegis Jan 2022 #12

In my experience, kids will try to scam you on attendance. ananda Jan 2022 #13

What field to you teach? Lucid Dreamer Jan 2022 #15

Art History Coventina Jan 2022 #17

What is this student's history? Dorian Gray Jan 2022 #87

It's early in the semester, she hadn't missed any classes. Coventina Jan 2022 #91

It's probably good that you reached out to someone Dorian Gray Jan 2022 #95

Yes, actually the Diversity Coordinator was just in my office after getting my email Coventina Jan 2022 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author DesertGarden Feb 2022 #177

I mean, you could ask *her* Act_of_Reparation Jan 2022 #16

I've contacted our diversity coordinator and am awaiting her response Coventina Jan 2022 #18

Maybe her culture doesn't believe in announcements. boston bean Jan 2022 #20

Is her name Klinger by any chance? alphafemale Jan 2022 #21

Yes, poor Klinger couldn't even get out for the great Toledo scarlet fever outbreak! BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #23

:) treestar Jan 2022 #71

It was Epstein's mom n/m BradAllison Jan 2022 #106

My father-in-law died when my son was in college-- Wingus Dingus Jan 2022 #24

Bingo! THIS is the way it should be handled [by the student]. Lucid Dreamer Jan 2022 #148

She's trying to con you you and make you feel bad for bogus reasons alphafemale Jan 2022 #25

This. BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #50

Winner winner chicken dinner. Bang on the money. N/T Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #63

not every family holds a "service" or has a "flyer" or puts an obit in orleans Jan 2022 #27

All that is true. But where does "culture" come into it? Coventina Jan 2022 #28

That's the very definition of culture. kcr Jan 2022 #133

that's harsh Piasladic Jan 2022 #140

College instructors have difficult jobs. yardwork Jan 2022 #157

It's shitty to ask for proof. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2022 #29

Why? Coventina Jan 2022 #30

It puts another chore on a grieving person. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2022 #32

Give me a break. If that's your idea of a "chore" then you must have a really charmed life. Coventina Jan 2022 #35

Why do you require it? WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2022 #36

Because attendance is required for my classes, it is part of their grade. Coventina Jan 2022 #39

So being sick isn't an excused absence? WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2022 #41

No. And that's school policy, not mine. n/t Coventina Jan 2022 #42

that's harsh iemanja Jan 2022 #64

It may seem so but when you consider the ramifications Coventina Jan 2022 #74

When I taught college iemanja Jan 2022 #77

I do a lot of hands-on activities and discussions that students need to be present to Coventina Jan 2022 #82

I teach high school and have taught college. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2022 #170

That's a gross policy. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2022 #72

Please see my post #74 n/t Coventina Jan 2022 #75

Not even for COVID? Ms. Toad Jan 2022 #147

I'm in my 40s and still have nightmares about missing classes... W_HAMILTON Jan 2022 #76

please see my post #82 n/t Coventina Jan 2022 #85

At one time in my life I worked in Personnel. Multiple dead grandmas is something that can... Hekate Jan 2022 #90

When my mother died, I was the executor of her estate. BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #57

The biggest chore for me, after my parents died, was... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2022 #84

God, I'd forgotten about that. My mom was 90 and her friends thought she was healthy. BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #96

Ugh, it was awful. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2022 #107

Thanks. BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #125

So many "friends" don't REALLY know... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2022 #130

I just couldn't. Felt guilt afterwards, but then, as you said, I know I did what she wanted. BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #132

I Got Hit RobinA Jan 2022 #165

Agree Meowmee Jan 2022 #86

unlikely Piasladic Jan 2022 #142

My preference Meowmee Jan 2022 #144

My college demands I report absences (and types) of because of financial aid. Piasladic Jan 2022 #145

We record them also for an initial period and aid is based on it but we are Meowmee Jan 2022 #168

+1 demmiblue Jan 2022 #92

Coulda timed your watch to this. BradAllison Jan 2022 #111

Yep Thtwudbeme Jan 2022 #124

I fall on this side as well. I have employees who have said someone died Quixote1818 Jan 2022 #127

That's standard policy at a LOT of jobs NickB79 Jan 2022 #137

It's a shitty policy in employment too. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2022 #139

I'm not joking; it would be abused here, badly NickB79 Jan 2022 #146

In our faith community, even before COVID, we often had celebrations of life Ms. Toad Jan 2022 #33

I get what you are saying, but she said her aunt had just died, and she needed to attend services. Coventina Jan 2022 #43

I don't think that was part of the OP. Ms. Toad Jan 2022 #45

Apologies. You are correct, I didn't provide that info. n/t Coventina Jan 2022 #46

No problem - but it seemed that several of us were puzzled Ms. Toad Jan 2022 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author DesertGarden Feb 2022 #179

I wish she wasn't insensitive to your school's culture... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2022 #34

It's a tough situation. Happy Hoosier Jan 2022 #37

Businesses and the government require it all the time. Coventina Jan 2022 #44

Airlines certainly do. BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #53

I've never been asked for proof by an employer personally... Happy Hoosier Jan 2022 #60

We might be talking at cross purposes here. Coventina Jan 2022 #68

Neither have I kcr Jan 2022 #134

Could be Latino or any south-American where they view Aunts as "Nuclear" family. Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2022 #38

What about employers that require it? I've never had a job that didn't. N/T Coventina Jan 2022 #40

What about them? "Employers" don't get to enforce culture. Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2022 #47

This doesn't sound right at all. Wingus Dingus Jan 2022 #51

If the employer is paying them to be absent, they absolutely can Coventina Jan 2022 #52

But you're a school, not an employer. You're paid by these kids, not the other way around. Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2022 #56

"I paid my fee so I get a B" is your position? Coventina Jan 2022 #62

If your Art History class includes attendance... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2022 #70

I'm pro-Education, anti-bullshit. Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2022 #88

You're adorable. Coventina Jan 2022 #93

I attended classes like the one you describe. Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2022 #100

Oh, I see, this is all about your vendetta against teachers. Coventina Jan 2022 #101

You asked for input, I just gave it. Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2022 #103

I asked about cultural insensitivity. You haven't addressed that at all. Coventina Jan 2022 #105

I've given you everything I can about cultural insensitivity. Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2022 #109

Someone probably abused the honor system, and they had to go this way. BradAllison Jan 2022 #115

I'll agree with the thought that students can be the assholes. Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2022 #118

So the teacher's teaching is completely irrelevant? In a history class? BradAllison Jan 2022 #135

You don't know anything about teaching overseas. After teaching and living in four Asian countries AZLD4Candidate Feb 2022 #174

Our failing educators? Please enlighten me on that sideswipe comment, Administrator! AZLD4Candidate Feb 2022 #178

I have an attendance policy - and it has nothing to do with stroking my ego. Ms. Toad Jan 2022 #149

If a class has attendance as part of the final grade, that's almost always in the syllabus. Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #80

"almost always" is the rub. Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2022 #94

Sure, you have to take electives. Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #123

Some private colleges don't exactly have a deep pool of electives to choose from. Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2022 #126

On the whole, I agree with you. Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #128

Thank you kindly for the welcome, friend. Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2022 #129

yikes! Piasladic Jan 2022 #143

Attendance policies for university students are set by the Feds to bring in Fed funding AZLD4Candidate Feb 2022 #175

Jesus Christ almighty... róisín_dubh Feb 2022 #176

I never had a job that did. Happy Hoosier Jan 2022 #61

Same. Lost all four grandparents in my working career, never had to give proof. Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2022 #65

What are you even talking about? AZLD4Candidate Feb 2022 #173

Every job required it for me. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2022 #73

Please see my reply to you in post #68 n/t Coventina Jan 2022 #78

The funeral home/mortuary can provide info that she can forward, Wingus Dingus Jan 2022 #48

that depends. orleans Jan 2022 #138

bollocks nt Celerity Jan 2022 #131

I suppose because of the importance of extended family iemanja Jan 2022 #49

Perhaps the policy should be more clearly defined? kentuck Jan 2022 #54

I agree completely, and I was going to give her the attendance credit. Coventina Jan 2022 #55

She is going to have 25 aunts and uncles maybe 8 grandparents die in the next couple years alphafemale Jan 2022 #67

All of those life insurance companies... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2022 #59

I don't know about the cultural issue but... jcgoldie Jan 2022 #66

+1 demmiblue Jan 2022 #79

If a student has a death in family Meowmee Jan 2022 #81

Documentation requirements from random schools: dalton99a Jan 2022 #89

I just looked up the bereavement policy... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2022 #97

Here is ours: Coventina Jan 2022 #108

+1. "will be required" dalton99a Jan 2022 #110

You don't have the option to waive the policy, it seems. yardwork Jan 2022 #158

She used a term she knew you would flinch at Sympthsical Jan 2022 #99

If it were me I would not pick this battle blogslug Jan 2022 #102

An administrator should be handling this. BradAllison Jan 2022 #112

There's a thought!!!!! Coventina Jan 2022 #113

Agreed. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2022 #114

Excellent suggestion. Buck it to the people with the responsibility, Hortensis Jan 2022 #159

When I taught at university my policy was: meadowlander Jan 2022 #116

****** UPDATE ****** Coventina Jan 2022 #117

I'm happy for you. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2022 #119

Agreed. Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2022 #120

Welcome to DU. n.t ChazII Jan 2022 #155

+1. Another consideration is fairness to other students dalton99a Jan 2022 #121

True. n/t Coventina Jan 2022 #122

Good BradAllison Jan 2022 #136

:) Still reading. Sounds good, and if there's any problem Hortensis Jan 2022 #161

Her issue, not yours. Sounds fishy. Joinfortmill Jan 2022 #141

I don't know. 48656c6c6f20 Jan 2022 #150

She may be right actually, though we all have blinders and can't be blamed for not knowing all lostnfound Jan 2022 #152

If the aunt were an atheist or poor? Bad Thoughts Jan 2022 #153

Makes me think she was lying JI7 Jan 2022 #156

Agreed. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2022 #160

Blithely accusing someone of being culturally insensitive is out of bounds gulliver Jan 2022 #162

I think it's a college class, but... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2022 #163

Agreed gulliver Jan 2022 #166

All that is running through my mind is that Seinfeld episode DLCWIdem Jan 2022 #164

Most of my old college classes didn't care either, but... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2022 #169

Not all deaths are followed by services or an obit. SYFROYH Jan 2022 #167

She's right. You're wrong, and an aunt is an immediate family member. Renew Deal Jan 2022 #171