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porphyrian

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20. I'm not pretending that the President isn't in charge of his own policy.

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:22 AM

Oct 2012

If you would take the chip off of your shoulder for two seconds, you may realize that we are on the same side of this issue. I don't appreciate your attitude or implications about me, so chill the fuck out.

I am not a lawyer, but I understand civics better than many people, thus I was posting here to help, not to attack or be attacked. What I said is correct. What you have shown, however, is that there is an administrative law which grants power to the Attorney General, not the President, to reschedule drugs "if he finds that the drug or other substance does not meet the requirements for inclusion in any schedule." If Holder has not rescheduled marijuana, he is not yet convinced that it should be rescheduled. The President can't make him decide this, though the President could replace him or threaten to. I'm guessing it is not yet a priority for the President. At any rate, if I'm not mistaken, the scheduling of marijuana is currently being challenged in court, so this subject may soon be moot.

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State licensed medical marijuana farmer faces 99 years in federal prison. [View all] Webster Green Oct 2012 OP

K & R Le Taz Hot Oct 2012 #1

Don't blame the President; he didn't make the law, Congress did. Congress has to change it, too. porphyrian Oct 2012 #2

Um, no, that is incorrect. Le Taz Hot Oct 2012 #3

Did President Nixon reschedule cannabis or did Congress at Nixon's suggestion? porphyrian Oct 2012 #6

The Congress gave the Executive Branch the power to re-schedule. Direct cite to the law follows. Romulox Oct 2012 #8

I'm not pretending that the President isn't in charge of his own policy. porphyrian Oct 2012 #20

If you can't READ a paragraph that I've cited for you, you can't take part in any informed Romulox Oct 2012 #30

No, you're just saying he's powerless to do anything about it. EOTE Oct 2012 #70

There is no scientific justification for scheduling cannabis at all slackmaster Oct 2012 #13

I don't disagree. n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #23

I will blame Obama. Webster Green Oct 2012 #4

I'm not at all happy about this, but part of the reason that it hasn't been changed yet... porphyrian Oct 2012 #11

people are changing the law in WA state, and guess what? frylock Oct 2012 #45

AHEM Occulus Oct 2012 #56

Do you understand the difference between state and federal law? EOTE Oct 2012 #71

You are correct. hifiguy Oct 2012 #27

I'm sick of this civic ignorance! The President appoints the head of the DEA, Justice. He IS in Romulox Oct 2012 #5

The job of the heads of the DEA and Justice Department is to enforce the law. porphyrian Oct 2012 #7

You're wrong. I've cited the law, above. If you were truly curious, I wouldn't have had to... Romulox Oct 2012 #9

Look, genius, you aren't as right as you think you are, so chill the fuck out. n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #22

I'm sorry, but that isn't a legal argument. Engage with the statute, or admit Romulox Oct 2012 #31

That's correct. He didn't mention that the Secretary of HHS has direct and binding input Occulus Oct 2012 #57

translation: i got nothing, so i'll just hurl insults and quietly slink away frylock Oct 2012 #60

Snark works much better if you're at least a little bit informed. EOTE Oct 2012 #72

Really? How come Bush didn't go fucking crazy on medical mj? Webster Green Oct 2012 #10

That is a truly excellent question. nt hifiguy Oct 2012 #28

Indeed. nt Romulox Oct 2012 #41

To be fair, there were plenty of DEA raids under Bush. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2012 #46

They've greatly increased under Obama. Reality, Comrade--deal with it! nt Romulox Oct 2012 #66

It's "fair" because cultivation of cannabis is a felony under federal law slackmaster Oct 2012 #12

You fucking think 99 years is a fair sentence for growing pot? Webster Green Oct 2012 #14

He's "compassionate". Has been since I've been here. nt Romulox Oct 2012 #16

I have consistently said for many years on DU that cannabis should be legalized slackmaster Oct 2012 #18

And yet you are STILL mis-stating the law, after all these years? How odd. Romulox Oct 2012 #21

I wrote that cultivation of cannabis is a federal felony slackmaster Oct 2012 #24

READ the cited portion of the statute first, PLEASE. Rescheduling DOES NOT require Congress Romulox Oct 2012 #26

You have presented a very weak and legally incorrect defense of a gun-toting federal felon slackmaster Oct 2012 #29

Nonsense. I was talking about the power to re-schedule cannabis. You have misstated the law Romulox Oct 2012 #32

I wrote that Congress has the power to LEGALIZE cannabis slackmaster Oct 2012 #35

That's technically true, but Congress has ALREADY delegated this authority to the Executive. Cite: Romulox Oct 2012 #39

The Astute Reader(TM) will note the use of quotation marks around the word fair in my previous reply slackmaster Oct 2012 #17

The "astute reader" wouldn't immunize himself from facts by *refusing to read the actual statute* Romulox Oct 2012 #25

More rudeness from Remulox. I'm finished with this thread. slackmaster Oct 2012 #36

It's ASTOUNDING how you became "finished" without reading a single paragraph of the law, or Romulox Oct 2012 #43

That argument falls flat once one actually becomes familiar with Federal Law. The cites are in this Romulox Oct 2012 #15

The possible sentence is unfair. But he was also convicted of firearms charges. randome Oct 2012 #19

Here's another one who doesn't approve, but always seems to "understand"... nt Romulox Oct 2012 #33

What did you not understand about my post? randome Oct 2012 #37

Oh, I understand perfectly. Your next move is demanding an invasive road-side sobriety test. Romulox Oct 2012 #40

Don't think I've ever even typed the word 'sobriety' on DU. randome Oct 2012 #42

LOL. You damn well made the argument, whether you used the word "sobriety" or not. nt Romulox Oct 2012 #44

K&R me b zola Oct 2012 #34

I hope it gets reduced or dropped, but he wasn't following state laws bhikkhu Oct 2012 #38

He WAS following state law. The 3-patient limit didn't get passed until after he was raided. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2012 #49

I saw something on my local news last night in WA state marlakay Oct 2012 #47

I've seen how the medical pot has gone in Oregon and Washington... progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #50

I guess sending pot farmers to federal prison for 99 years is a more sane approach. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2012 #53

it should be easy for you to cite documentation of such events.. frylock Oct 2012 #61

Oh Bullshit. I read the story. It was not a little medical grow operation and he had weapons. progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #48

The man was in compliance with Montana's medical marijuana law. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2012 #51

He said the guns were to protect the pot. randome Oct 2012 #52

That's the same reason the convenience store clerk has a gun behind the counter. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2012 #54

So growing a large amount of pot tends to attract criminal elements. I agree that it does. randome Oct 2012 #55

It's not because it's pot; it's because it's a valuable commodity. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2012 #58

the real joke is idiot assholes arguing in favor of prohibition in the year 2012.. frylock Oct 2012 #62

Have you ever considered NOT trying to dictate to others how to live their lives? Romulox Oct 2012 #65

The Dept. of Just Us Protecting Corporate Interests puts another flower grower Zorra Oct 2012 #59

we need to re elect obama and push him to de criminalize mj questionseverything Oct 2012 #63

He promised to stop prosecuting MMJ in 2008. He lied. nt Romulox Oct 2012 #64

It's not like voters have a choice. We're left with Obama or Romney. Selatius Oct 2012 #67

yes romney would be more destructive on everything questionseverything Oct 2012 #69

It's a long and hard fight liberal_at_heart Oct 2012 #68