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Grammy23

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26. These conversations almost always are made in the abstract. And in that context you get one
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:36 AM
Oct 2012

answer. Then when it comes down to specifics, you get another. These issues should never be discussed solely in the abstract
because it removes the emotion, the trauma and reality from the discussion. Once you make it about REAL women, it takes on another dimension and is much harder to be dispassionate and academic about it. And the fact is, no matter how hypothetical you make the argument, it is always about REAL women. Ask your friends and co-workers about the issue of rape and any personal experience they have with it. You might be surprised how many of them know from PERSONAL experience what that is about.

The reason the woman who was asked about what she would do if it were her daughter in that situation can't talk about it without being offended or put off is because it IS highly emotionally charged. When it comes down to cases, they know they won't hold the same opinions if it is about someone they know and love. So they just go into a state of denial that it could ever happen to them or someone they know.

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i did ask an anti abortion woman this about her daughter. she was aghast that i would say soemthing seabeyond Oct 2012 #1
That's the question to ask. Not about the wife, but about the 12 yr. old daughter. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #63
I'm a man who is a person .... Vox Moi Oct 2012 #2
It's the statement my husband made JustAnotherGen Oct 2012 #3
It is NOT a men's issue. IDoMath Oct 2012 #4
I think the OP is suggesting Pab Sungenis Oct 2012 #8
*could* not *should* IDoMath Oct 2012 #10
I think we're on the same page. Pab Sungenis Oct 2012 #19
Do as I say, not as I do. DefenseLawyer Oct 2012 #5
The man is equally traumatized? gollygee Oct 2012 #6
The only reason I got past that is because.. IDoMath Oct 2012 #11
The point was approaching right wing men though treestar Oct 2012 #28
I am going to give the OP the benefit of the doubt lapislzi Oct 2012 #62
I think a man could be equally traumatized by a system that forces her to carry the child. reusrename Oct 2012 #67
Please explain to me how gollygee Oct 2012 #68
Because she's much stronger than him. reusrename Oct 2012 #72
Someone asked J. Danforth Quayle III this question Doctor_J Oct 2012 #7
For J. Danforth Quayle III's daugher, it WOULD be a choice... JHB Oct 2012 #53
In that case the baby is a gift from Satan. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2012 #9
. n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #12
Am I the only one who sees Myrina Oct 2012 #13
And then because of how it affects the husbands and boyfriends gollygee Oct 2012 #14
And how about calling it the "health of the WOMAN," not the "mother" because what if she CTyankee Oct 2012 #15
How about calling it sovereignty of her body? IDoMath Oct 2012 #24
Maybe we just call femrap Oct 2012 #39
Amen. SunSeeker Oct 2012 #40
I see it too. Excellent post and follow up comments to it! bettyellen Oct 2012 #21
You are not alone IDoMath Oct 2012 #23
I'd femrap Oct 2012 #44
Do you want the lyrics? IDoMath Oct 2012 #46
Yes, I femrap Oct 2012 #51
Here you go - to the tune of "We're off to see the wizard" IDoMath Oct 2012 #57
.... femrap Oct 2012 #65
I agree. The whole argument is based on a premise that puts rape in a different category Texin Oct 2012 #29
+1,000 femrap Oct 2012 #47
uh, yeah... marions ghost Oct 2012 #59
Many of these monsters know exactly what it's about. reusrename Oct 2012 #73
Great insight. ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2012 #41
You're right. Ineeda Oct 2012 #45
This should be a medical privacy issue Doctor_J Oct 2012 #64
Slowly decriminalizing rape? moondust Oct 2012 #71
How far would they go? Myrina Oct 2012 #74
Bingo -- give this person a prize nichomachus Oct 2012 #75
Advanced record-keeping & HMOs may be partly to "blame" SoCalDem Oct 2012 #76
I've never resorted to the line of thinking Animal Chin Oct 2012 #16
Anti-choice men would be all for abortion for their OWN wives in that case. Just nobody else's. forestpath Oct 2012 #17
Because they don't and couldn't even entertain the notion that Texin Oct 2012 #32
a conservative in good standing would say bowens43 Oct 2012 #18
Sadly.... ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2012 #43
Fucked up premise - lets pander to men who will never give a shit unless... bettyellen Oct 2012 #20
The traumatization is not equal. Poor choice of words. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #22
Bad things don't happen to Republicans... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2012 #25
These conversations almost always are made in the abstract. And in that context you get one Grammy23 Oct 2012 #26
Well in a republican religious household I can see the daddy or the husband telling his southernyankeebelle Oct 2012 #27
I asked it, but other than you and I....bupkis SoCalDem Oct 2012 #30
would and could you love this child as if it were your own?.... Sheepshank Oct 2012 #31
Is the assumption that the rape would be kept secret? Texin Oct 2012 #33
It wouldn't be their business gollygee Oct 2012 #34
There is surely a supporty system...then there are the gawkers Sheepshank Oct 2012 #38
I think in most states....... Swede Atlanta Oct 2012 #35
Equally traumatized? What the fuck? AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #36
Here are the questions that should be asked of these idiots. SheilaT Oct 2012 #37
My sentiments exactly lunatica Oct 2012 #52
If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament. nt SunSeeker Oct 2012 #42
wasn't it femrap Oct 2012 #49
Gloria Steinem's lawyer, the irrepressible Florynce Kennedy, said that. SunSeeker Oct 2012 #61
Those were the days femrap Oct 2012 #66
the whole if raped can have an abortion is very dangerous to males lued Oct 2012 #48
Welcome femrap Oct 2012 #50
I stopped right at "equally traumatized". MadrasT Oct 2012 #54
Look, any man asked this question will pretend to be Sir Galahad. The law should not be about WinkyDink Oct 2012 #55
Republican men would force her to have B Calm Oct 2012 #56
Bingo. Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #58
A lot of it is questioning the morals of the rape victim. Rozlee Oct 2012 #60
When it happened to me quaker bill Oct 2012 #69
how does one say something arely staircase Oct 2012 #70
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