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Showing Original Post only (View all)Depriving a dog of their freedom to speak by "debarking" them is legal? [View all]
Last edited Fri Oct 26, 2012, 12:33 PM - Edit history (1)
I honestly thought at 1st glance of the title this was about something going on in somewhere like China or Indonesia where there are no animal welfare laws, not the US.
Dog Debarking Policy At AVMA Raises Activists' Howls Of Protest

Karen Mahmud, 43, of Long Island, N.Y., holds her long-haired Chihuahua, Lola, who barks in a squeaky whisper after surgeons cut the dog's vocal cords.
By JoNel Aleccia, NBC News
When Porter, a 123-pound black Newfoundland, attempts to bark, it comes out as a raspy cough. When Lola, a 6-pound long-haired Chihuahua, tries, she emits only a whispery squeak.
Both dogs have been devocalized," or surgically muffled, using a controversial procedure regarded as either barbaric mutilation by lazy pet owners -- or as the last resort of animal lovers desperate to keep their furry companions.
Porters owner, Sue Perry, a 58-year-old Connecticut bookkeeper, and Lolas owner, Karen Mahmud, a 43-year-old New York nutrition blogger, fall squarely into the first camp. Theyre part of the Coalition to Protect and Rescue Pets, an activist group that helped get the practice known as debarking or "devoicing" outlawed in Massachusetts two years ago. Now they have set their sights on the American Veterinary Medical Association. I was just horrified by this, said Perry, who adopted Porter from a rescue agency five years ago. When he tried to bark, I was, like, What the heck?
Though theyve never met in person, the two women have joined to launch an online petition demanding that the AVMA, the nations leading group of veterinarians, condemn devocalization when the organization reviews its policy on the procedure later this year. So far, more than 125,000 people have signed onto their cause.
More: http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/25/14677222-dog-debarking-policy-at-avma-raises-activists-howls-of-protest?lite
Online petition: http://www.change.org/petitions/tell-veterinarians-devocalization-is-mutilation
(NOTE: Due to a typo in the subject line I just noticed, and people getting confused by the wording I used, the subject line has now been altered. For the original please click on the "view edits" link to see it.)
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Depriving a dog of their freedom to speak by "debarking" them is legal? [View all]
Turborama
Oct 2012
OP
People who keep dogs for intimidation purposes suck, you'll get no argument from me there.
Warren DeMontague
Oct 2012
#73
Personally, I think anyone who believes in free speech is being knowingly cruel to deny it to a dog
Turborama
Oct 2012
#10
People are too stupid to understand that concept. They could just buy a lawn ornament,
LovePeacock
Oct 2012
#12
I have mixed feelings about this. Sometimes this could be the best of several bad options.
bklyncowgirl
Oct 2012
#6
If you loved the dog, you wouldn't debark them. Getting rid of them would be more humane.
LovePeacock
Oct 2012
#13
That's what happened to my sister. Got divorced, moved into a condo, and the dog barked all the time
riderinthestorm
Oct 2012
#44
Yes. Compassion is the reason why liberals are ridiculed. We know. But I don't mind it.
LovePeacock
Oct 2012
#14
Then ridicule and marginalize me. I'll still say de-barking dogs is cruel and sadistic.
forestpath
Oct 2012
#21
*facepalm*....the article doesn't say that animals are covered by the bill of rights.
smokey nj
Oct 2012
#28
*facepalm*....Freedom of Speech is a right only enumerated in the Constitution.
cleanhippie
Oct 2012
#38
I'm talking about the topic, not what was written in the subject line. Why would THAT be flamebait?
smokey nj
Oct 2012
#82
So you don't have an opinion on the article, you just decided to take the bait? If you think a
smokey nj
Oct 2012
#85
Is there a particular reason that you feel the need to attack me personally?
cleanhippie
Oct 2012
#87
I'm not attacking you personally. I enjoy your posts in the Atheists/Agnostics and Religion group.
smokey nj
Oct 2012
#88
I've heard urban legends that highly sensitive military bases use barkless German Shepherds
Blue_Tires
Oct 2012
#58
REALLY not the same thing. Humans get sterilized, too; very few get their vocal cords cut.
WinkyDink
Oct 2012
#26
Yes, humans are getting *neutered* left and right, without their consent
Warren DeMontague
Oct 2012
#56
It's a supplement--you can find it in health food stores, but big box drug stores sell it too.
MADem
Oct 2012
#72
Its obvious to me that dogs primarily communicate through scent and body posture.
riderinthestorm
Oct 2012
#65
I have two dogs who like to bark. Terriers are like that. When they bark too much,
MADem
Oct 2012
#49
Living animals do not have many rights at all, non-living corporations have more than I do.
LanternWaste
Oct 2012
#66