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WhaTHellsgoingonhere

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19. The Constitutionality of the National Popular Vote
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 01:18 AM
Oct 2012

Eeek! You are right. Likely requires Congress's approval... :\

The U.S. Supreme Court has held that, without congressional consent, agreements that increase states' political power by encroaching on federal power violate the Compact Clause of the U.S. Constitution. However, whether the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact could withstand a constitutional challenge is an open question; we found no case challenging the proposal. According to the analysis in U. S. Steel Corp. v. Multistate Tax Commission, 434 U.S. 452 (1978), a court would first decide whether the proposal constitutes a compact. The court would then consider if the compact was political, specifically whether it encroached on federal power or the power of non-compacting states.

The National Popular Vote bill awards all of a compacting state's electoral votes to the presidential candidate receiving the most popular votes in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The bill takes effect only when enacted by states possessing a majority of the electoral votes, enough to elect a president. Under the U.S. Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states have exclusive authority to allocate their electoral votes, leading proponents of the bill to argue the compact is within states' constitutional rights.

CONSTITUTIONALITY OF THE NATIONAL POPULAR VOTE

Advocates of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact point to the constitutional right of states to choose their electors to demonstrate the constitutionality of the proposal. The manner of conducting presidential elections is covered in the U.S. Constitution: “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors . . . ” (U.S. Const., Article II, Section 1, Clause 2). This standard has been reinforced by the U.S. Supreme Court, which held that the clause “cannot be held to operate as a limitation on” the power to appoint electors, assuring that the mode of appointment belongs exclusively to the states by the Constitution (McPherson v. Blacker, 146 U.S. 1, 25 (1892)).

Critics, however, see the Compact Clause as a roadblock to the proposal. If the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact is considered a “political compact” under the Compact Clause, then the Constitution requires congressional consent, and the compact would need to receive federal approval. The power to appoint electors is exclusively granted to the states, but that power is still subject to other provisions of the Constitution. Accordingly, the court must analyze the appointment of electors under other provisions of the Constitution, including the Compact Clause (McPherson v. Blacker, 146 U.S. 1 (1892)).

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Does the Compact Violate the Compact Clause?

...To date, every case arising under the Compact Clause has concerned boundary, commercial, or regulatory compacts (Robert W. Bennett, State Coordination in Popular Election of the President Without a Constitutional Amendment, 5 Green Bag 2d 141, 141 n.2 (2002)). Because no compacts challenged for want of congressional consent have ever been found to touch upon “political” matters, by treading either on federal interests or non-compacting states' interests, the Supreme Court has never invalidated a compact under the Compact Clause (David E. Engdahl, Characterization of Interstate Arrangements: When Is a Compact Not a Compact?, 64 Mich. L. Rev. 63, 81 (1965)). Thus, it is unclear how a court would decide this issue.

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Federal Sovereignty Interest. ...Although the stability of the Electoral College or the preservation of the traditional amendment process may be important, it is unlikely that they rise to actual interference with federal power (Derek T. Muller, The Compact Clause and the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, 6 Election L.J. 372 (2007)).

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Sister State Interest. The non-compacting sister state interest may apply to the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. States have an interest in and exclusive authority to appoint their electors as they see fit. While the non-compacting sister states would still appoint electors, opponents argue that the Interstate Compact makes that appointment meaningless. The outcome of the Electoral College would be determined by an arranged collective agreement among compacting states, regardless of non-compacting states' action. Once states constituting a majority of the Electoral College have compacted to allocate their votes as a group, non-compacting states' electoral votes are politically ineffective. Opponents believe this constitutes a sufficient interest to invoke the constitutional safeguard of congressional consent (Derek T. Muller, The Compact Clause and the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, 6 Election L.J. 372 (2007)).



more here

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2008/rpt/2008-R-0221.htm

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End around the electoral college [View all] WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2012 OP
I think we need a parliamentary system. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #1
Oh sure! Doc_Technical Oct 2012 #4
Done! nt Astazia Oct 2012 #2
Gore didn't win the popular vote handily... Drunken Irishman Oct 2012 #3
Opps, I had an extra 0 on that... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2012 #5
I do agree. However, this might be an election where it benefits Obama... Drunken Irishman Oct 2012 #7
HA! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2012 #9
If Bush had won by 543,895 votes... Beartracks Oct 2012 #6
What I had not thought of until it was pointed out tonight by Rocca & O'Donnell ... ReasonableToo Oct 2012 #13
Exactly! One of the major drawbacks of the EC is it discourages voter turnout!! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2012 #14
Nate Silver said that it is possible for the Stellar Oct 2012 #39
If Obama wins the EV this election, I will defend it tooth and nail. nt Comrade_McKenzie Oct 2012 #8
Not going to happen. onenote Oct 2012 #10
The beauty is, "we" don't need small states to sign on... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2012 #11
Like I said, not going to happen onenote Oct 2012 #45
Fraud in one state could game the popular vote bhikkhu Oct 2012 #12
I hate the E.C. RudynJack Oct 2012 #15
Interesting. That wasn't mentioned... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2012 #16
I'm guessing time... RudynJack Oct 2012 #17
The Constitutionality of the National Popular Vote WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2012 #19
Thanks! RudynJack Oct 2012 #20
And you're right (upon further review), only Congressional approval as... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2012 #22
I think the S.C. would be involved... RudynJack Oct 2012 #23
Yeah, yeah...the dream is over. Once you mentioned Congress, I crapped myself. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2012 #25
Aw, I'm sorry... RudynJack Oct 2012 #26
do you support amending the constitution to get rid of the Electoral College? CreekDog Oct 2012 #28
I support the Giants, CreekDog WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2012 #32
thanks! but what about amending the constitution to get rid of the Electoral College? CreekDog Oct 2012 #33
I'm definitely not against ammending the... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2012 #37
Yes RudynJack Oct 2012 #47
My prediction sorosland64 Oct 2012 #18
What it would do in any state that passes this would be to make it more likely... PoliticAverse Oct 2012 #21
The states signing on don't care about electoral votes. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2012 #24
It amounts to collusion. I seriously doubt the Supreme Court would allow it. davidn3600 Oct 2012 #30
yeah, I think you are right, however... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2012 #36
No, this is not the way to do it --amend the constitution to get rid of the Electoral College CreekDog Oct 2012 #27
Good point! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2012 #38
no, the amendment is the end CreekDog Oct 2012 #40
I understand. I guess I didn't articulate my... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2012 #46
This falls into a category of "fixing something that isn't broken" davidn3600 Oct 2012 #29
Your first point is lol and true... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2012 #34
you think only 4 broken elections is a system that isn't broken CreekDog Oct 2012 #44
If Obama Wins the EC But Loses the Popular Vote AndyTiedye Oct 2012 #31
I suspect this wouldn't survive judicial review cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #35
Do you completely trust the red states to submit an accurate popular vote count? (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #41
Playing the long game SQUEE Oct 2012 #42
I don't buy it Bandit Oct 2012 #43
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