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10. Personally, I think anyone who believes in free speech is being knowingly cruel to deny it to a dog

Reply to Warren Stupidity (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 08:31 AM

Oct 2012

Just because it isn't in the Constitution doesn't mean it's ethically right to do it.

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Depriving a dog of their freedom to speak by "debarking" them is legal? [View all] Turborama Oct 2012 OP

Never mind freedom of speech, it's just pure animal cruelty bluestateguy Oct 2012 #1

+1 AngryOldDem Oct 2012 #3

Agree. I have similar issues with declawing cats. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #51

Docking, cropping, declawing, de-barking... Scootaloo Oct 2012 #2

actually, legally, a pet IS a posession scheming daemons Oct 2012 #7

Pedantry Scootaloo Oct 2012 #9

Sure but that's just for legal convienience n/t Prophet 451 Oct 2012 #37

Not to mention cutting their nuts off. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #57

Nor does the removal of the uterus, apparently. Scootaloo Oct 2012 #67

People who keep dogs for intimidation purposes suck, you'll get no argument from me there. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #73

Yeah, the "freedom of speech" thing was silly... Scootaloo Oct 2012 #77

they're both healthy and happier without them TorchTheWitch Oct 2012 #69

Same thing. Cutting the nuts off just works better in a sentence. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #74

While I agree it is disgusting, dogs do not have freedom of speech. Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #4

Personally, I think anyone who believes in free speech is being knowingly cruel to deny it to a dog Turborama Oct 2012 #10

If we give right to animals, we would have to all become vegans. redgreenandblue Oct 2012 #16

Domestic animals do have rights. Turborama Oct 2012 #23

I'm sorry but when we eat domestic animals they do not have rights. Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #63

Some people want to deny the freedom of speech pintobean Oct 2012 #33

If you don't want to hear barking, don't get a dog. reformist2 Oct 2012 #5

People are too stupid to understand that concept. They could just buy a lawn ornament, LovePeacock Oct 2012 #12

It's a question of consideration for the neighbors as well though. wickerwoman Oct 2012 #55

I have mixed feelings about this. Sometimes this could be the best of several bad options. bklyncowgirl Oct 2012 #6

If you loved the dog, you wouldn't debark them. Getting rid of them would be more humane. LovePeacock Oct 2012 #13

"getting rid of them" is not necessarily more humane. magical thyme Oct 2012 #42

How do you get rid of a dog with behavior problems? bklyncowgirl Oct 2012 #53

That's what happened to my sister. Got divorced, moved into a condo, and the dog barked all the time riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #44

That's what I'm saying. Sometimes this may be the best solution. bklyncowgirl Oct 2012 #59

*facepalm* ..... animals are not covered by the bill of rights scheming daemons Oct 2012 #8

Yes. Compassion is the reason why liberals are ridiculed. We know. But I don't mind it. LovePeacock Oct 2012 #14

K&R!!! First touch of sanity in an otherwise COLGATE4 Oct 2012 #15

That article is why liberals are ridiculed and marginalized? Turborama Oct 2012 #17

Then ridicule and marginalize me. I'll still say de-barking dogs is cruel and sadistic. forestpath Oct 2012 #21

*facepalm*....the article doesn't say that animals are covered by the bill of rights. smokey nj Oct 2012 #28

*facepalm*....Freedom of Speech is a right only enumerated in the Constitution. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #38

*FACEDESK* The article didn't say it Turborama Oct 2012 #45

*facepunch*....You're right, YOU SAID IT. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #47

LOL, that's a good one Turborama Oct 2012 #52

There was no need to go past your headline. It was absurd. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #79

Why do you think this is flamebait? smokey nj Oct 2012 #71

Huh? I just explained in my last post, which you just replied to, why. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #80

I'm talking about the topic, not what was written in the subject line. Why would THAT be flamebait? smokey nj Oct 2012 #82

Unsure of what you are asking, as what I was talking about is quite clear. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #84

So you don't have an opinion on the article, you just decided to take the bait? If you think a smokey nj Oct 2012 #85

Is there a particular reason that you feel the need to attack me personally? cleanhippie Oct 2012 #87

I'm not attacking you personally. I enjoy your posts in the Atheists/Agnostics and Religion group. smokey nj Oct 2012 #88

I agree. And if you feel I attacked you up-thread, I apologise. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #89

Indeed! smokey nj Oct 2012 #92

The article doesn't say that a dog's freedom of speech is being taken away. smokey nj Oct 2012 #70

Who would do this? gollygee Oct 2012 #11

I've heard urban legends that highly sensitive military bases use barkless German Shepherds Blue_Tires Oct 2012 #58

1 ofthe reasons I have a dog(s) is because they bark. Nt xchrom Oct 2012 #18

True I was going to make a crack about the value of dog speech treestar Oct 2012 #40

Dogs have free speech? Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #19

Their freedom to "speak" is being legally taken away from them Turborama Oct 2012 #24

I guess technically you are right. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #27

As an animal lover, this...sickens me. Revolutionary Girl Oct 2012 #20

Next the bastards will try involuntary sterilization. dems_rightnow Oct 2012 #22

REALLY not the same thing. Humans get sterilized, too; very few get their vocal cords cut. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #26

This might be a good thing treestar Oct 2012 #41

Yes, humans are getting *neutered* left and right, without their consent Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #56

+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #48

Anthropomorphizng is stupid. It's enough to say: Don't mutilate a dog! WinkyDink Oct 2012 #25

I *hate* the sound of barking dogs; don't have one, and certainly don't LeftinOH Oct 2012 #29

It's not about Berserker Oct 2012 #30

This is nothing short of cruelty and mutalization. 99Forever Oct 2012 #31

Freedom of Speech. That's Hilarious. NCTraveler Oct 2012 #32

We should debark Fox News instead. mmonk Oct 2012 #34

OMS, this is a thing?!? Prophet 451 Oct 2012 #35

It is legal to do many cruel and inhumane things to your dog, MadHound Oct 2012 #36

We seriously considered it with one of our dogs Nevernose Oct 2012 #39

Go to the drugstore and buy some Sam-E. MADem Oct 2012 #50

Good call on the anxiety issues Nevernose Oct 2012 #64

It's a supplement--you can find it in health food stores, but big box drug stores sell it too. MADem Oct 2012 #72

As a dog lover, I can't take sides on this magical thyme Oct 2012 #43

I agree renate Oct 2012 #46

Wow, major unrec on your post... joeybee12 Oct 2012 #76

Its obvious to me that dogs primarily communicate through scent and body posture. riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #65

Yeah, it does bother them...and read the article, after being debarked joeybee12 Oct 2012 #75

Being dumped and being de-barked are two very different issues magical thyme Oct 2012 #78

I have two dogs who like to bark. Terriers are like that. When they bark too much, MADem Oct 2012 #49

Um, people have their dogs' nuts cut off--- all the time. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #54

Strikes me as inhumane JonLP24 Oct 2012 #60

Barbarian ... except as a last ditch effort if barking is a deal-breaker. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #61

I told my doggy about this and he is pissed! Jersey Devil Oct 2012 #62

Living animals do not have many rights at all, non-living corporations have more than I do. LanternWaste Oct 2012 #66

Depriving a cow of it's right to life by eating it is legal too. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #68

Most of the time this happens in highrises. undeterred Oct 2012 #81

I don't think dogs have the same rights as humans quinnox Oct 2012 #83

Extremely Cruel warrprayer Oct 2012 #86

"On the third day, Zorra Oct 2012 #90

To Serve Man isn't an instruction manual datasuspect Oct 2012 #91