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pecosbob

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7. These maps show the territory Putin wants...everything pink or yellow in the third map
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 04:03 PM
Feb 2022






Unless Putin decides to invade Poland, NATO doesn't really come into play. All the rest is saber-rattling. Putin wants to play Stalin, but he doesn't have the iron grip on the country Stalin had.

https://www.justsecurity.org/80149/retired-russian-generals-criticize-putin-over-ukraine-renew-call-for-his-resignation/

Ivashov’s main criticism is focused on the threat to Ukraine. He argues that the attempts to force people to “love” Russia and its leaders through ultimatums and threat are senseless and very dangerous. To use military force against Ukraine puts the very existence of Russia as a state in question. It will make Russians and Ukrainians mortal enemies forever. It will cost both sides tens of thousands of deaths, he argues. NATO members might be forced to declare war on Russia after they have suffered various losses.

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Allow Ukraine into NATO. That will flame his pants. Ray Bruns Feb 2022 #1
We can't brooklynite Feb 2022 #2
That may be part of what is to be "negotiated"... AntiFascist Feb 2022 #9
You mean it would violate the NATO treaty Ray Bruns Feb 2022 #15
So you're saying we should violate the NATO treaty... brooklynite Feb 2022 #17
How would you like a Central American country to become a part of the CTSO? walkingman Feb 2022 #5
You can't have troops or separatist regions. ananda Feb 2022 #12
No doubt this is what he has in mind. At the conference in the EU, the one VP Harris attended, PortTack Feb 2022 #3
Didn't we promise to defend Ukraine if they gave up their nukes? Grasswire2 Feb 2022 #4
+1 2naSalit Feb 2022 #8
crickets. crickets. nt Grasswire2 Feb 2022 #11
Seems to me that a Senator Biden... 2naSalit Feb 2022 #13
Yes, we (and western Europe) made those guarantees of Ukrainian security. TomSlick Feb 2022 #19
Biden plan cilla4progress Feb 2022 #6
These maps show the territory Putin wants...everything pink or yellow in the third map pecosbob Feb 2022 #7
It will be nasty, but I think the Ukrainians are fully capable of acting militarily maxrandb Feb 2022 #10
I guess a formal invitation to Donetsk and Luhansk to join NATO would be frowned upon. Gore1FL Feb 2022 #14
He's going to put the Soviet Union back together unless the World stops him. WW3 NightWatcher Feb 2022 #16
It's a far different world, now. Mr.Bill Feb 2022 #18
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