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MadHound

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40. Why?

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 05:30 PM

Oct 2012

You mention, like others, that it reduces the risk to our troops. But the problem is, in the long run, it is a bigger risk for our country.

We violate the sovereignty of other nations, killing innocents, and radicalizing entire groups against the US, all by the ongoing use of drones. Rather than trying to beat people into submission, perhaps we should try non-violent persuasion. Have you ever read "The Ugly American"? It was written as a critique about what the US was doing in SE Asia during the Vietnam War, but it is equally applicable to our imperial adventures now.

We're trying to win a war of ideas using weapons of a real war. That means we are going to lose. The only way to win a war of ideas is to bring better ideas to the table, not try to bomb nations into submission.

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The drone matrix. [View all] MadHound Oct 2012 OP

When will we learn to turn them rather than burn them.... I don't know if it is possible but I 2on2u Oct 2012 #1

When drones were first introduced under Bush, they were condemned, and rightfully so, around here, MadHound Oct 2012 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author ieoeja Oct 2012 #3

Go check the archives yourself and find out, MadHound Oct 2012 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author ieoeja Oct 2012 #14

Sorry, I don't play those games, MadHound Oct 2012 #16

Asking someone to prove a negative is recognized as fallacious reasoning. its not against DU rules stevenleser Oct 2012 #23

Umm, I think that it is covered under this provision of the TOS, MadHound Oct 2012 #25

Its done all the time now and not a TOS violation. This has been covered over and over again in Meta stevenleser Oct 2012 #41

Cool, you first then, MadHound Oct 2012 #42

OK, MadHound, you are wrong. stevenleser Oct 2012 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author ieoeja Oct 2012 #26

Mmm-hmm, you are the cute one, aren't you. MadHound Oct 2012 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author ieoeja Oct 2012 #34

So, did you support the drone program when it was being run by Bush? MadHound Oct 2012 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author ieoeja Oct 2012 #39

Why? MadHound Oct 2012 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author ieoeja Oct 2012 #47

They are still condemned by Democrats, at least the ones I know, who sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #48

And that list will grow secretly until its tendrils reach out domestically - bet on it. 1-Old-Man Oct 2012 #4

I see no problem with this. sagat Oct 2012 #6

Really? MadHound Oct 2012 #7

No. sagat Oct 2012 #8

How would you feel if somebody was flying drone missions over the US? n/t MadHound Oct 2012 #9

Wouldn't care. sagat Oct 2012 #10

So, why are you so supportive of drones,(or at least indifferent to them)? n/t MadHound Oct 2012 #11

Better drones than troops. sagat Oct 2012 #12

How about simply not killing innocents at all? MadHound Oct 2012 #15

I'd rather not leave al-Qaeda to their devices. sagat Oct 2012 #17

You really don't understand what's going on then. MadHound Oct 2012 #18

"Don't you think we should learn our lesson instead of doing the same old shit again and again?" sagat Oct 2012 #19

Well, if everybody takes the same attitude that you do, no, it's not going to happen. MadHound Oct 2012 #20

That doesn't sound very progressive. In fact I remember that sentiment sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #51

But there are no troops in Yemen, in Pakistan which is an ally btw, in Somalia sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #49

And if you were unfairly declared a terrorist and then targeted? Zalatix Oct 2012 #43

I see no problem with it, either. Guess Madhound prefers daisy cutter bombs instead. nt progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #22

No, actually what I prefer is for the US to respect and abide by the sovereignty of other nations, MadHound Oct 2012 #24

You don't have a problem with the US being at war with dozens of countries sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #50

And where would we be using these daisy cutter bombs that you have sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #52

And, the criminals planning the killings and doing the killings will not even be tried. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #13

Oh, YOU again and the drones. Don't worry, Pres. Romney owns the drone companies. nt progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #21

Soon we will upgrade from drones to electronic spiders.. snooper2 Oct 2012 #28

Except there will still be no guarantee of due process, MadHound Oct 2012 #29

I don't have a problem with little electronic spiders snooper2 Oct 2012 #33

And what about due process? Just toss it out the window? MadHound Oct 2012 #37

Snooper2 doesn't care about due process because they think they won't ever be targeted Zalatix Oct 2012 #44

That seems to be a common affliction around here. n/t MadHound Oct 2012 #45

I live in Alabama... Media Lies Oct 2012 #30

Umm, you're new here, I don't think that you should be threatening violence towards anybody, MadHound Oct 2012 #31

Obama's poll numbers must be up...nt SidDithers Oct 2012 #32

Ah yes, the Canadian who doesn't care about those killed by drones, MadHound Oct 2012 #35

... SidDithers Oct 2012 #38