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ruet

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19. Wait, What Do You Think They Invaded For?
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 01:53 AM
Mar 2022

They invaded precisely to keep Ukraine from joining the EU and/or NATO. They said as much.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2022-02-24/explainer-why-did-russia-invade-ukraine

What does Russia want when it comes to Ukraine?
A principal demand of Russia is to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO, a military alliance between 28 European countries and two North American countries dedicated to preserving peace and security in the North Atlantic area. The former Soviet state is one of just a few countries in Eastern Europe that aren’t members of the alliance. The Kremlin in general views NATO expansion as a “fundamental concern,” according to a translated readout of a Jan. 28 call between Putin and French President Emmanuel Macron.

It’s noteworthy, however, that NATO likely has “no intention right now” to admit Ukraine to the organization, says William Pomeranz, the acting director of the Kennan Institute at the Wilson Center, a non-partisan policy forum for global issues.

“I think NATO, and the invitation for Ukraine to join NATO at some point in the future, is simply just a pretext to potentially invade Ukraine,” he says, referring to Russia. “Ukraine is not a member of NATO, it doesn't have any of the NATO guarantees, and so there is no hint that Ukraine will become a member of NATO soon.”

Putin, specifically, does not want Ukraine to join NATO “not because he has some principled disagreement related to the rule of law or something, it's because he has a might makes right model,” adds Bradley Bowman, the senior director of the Center on Military and Political Power at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a non-partisan research institute focused on national security and foreign policy.
It's not that we object... lame54 Mar 2022 #1
When it comes to a cognitively-impaired nutter with nukes, being scared isn't a bad thing. n/t TygrBright Mar 2022 #2
But it injects doubt in NATO's willingness to act to defend NATO members in the future. bluewater Mar 2022 #4
Get back to us when the nutter with nukes actually lays a foot in NATO territory herding cats Mar 2022 #30
A lot of people seem willing to risk nuclear war from behind a keyboard. NT A Clearing Mar 2022 #3
But we will risk that nuclear war if Putin invades, say, Bulgaria, right? bluewater Mar 2022 #5
It's a disingenuous argument. A Clearing Mar 2022 #6
If Russia promised to nuke your hometown if the U.S. intervened militarily, I suspect you'd think.." 58Sunliner Mar 2022 #9
It's a totally consistent argument bluewater Mar 2022 #10
Ukraine is NOT an ally (in any meaningful sense) stopdiggin Mar 2022 #16
+1. The situation is NOT analogous stopdiggin Mar 2022 #11
Ukraine was invaded simply for being our ally. It's totally analogous. bluewater Mar 2022 #14
"Ukraine was invaded simply for being our ally." stopdiggin Mar 2022 #18
Wait, What Do You Think They Invaded For? ruet Mar 2022 #19
don't be ridiculous. both of these things were very remote stopdiggin Mar 2022 #22
Read this below (the full article) and learn of Putin's true agenda. herding cats Mar 2022 #31
yes Skittles Mar 2022 #13
Thanks. A Clearing Mar 2022 #21
+100000000 Celerity Mar 2022 #25
I agree. Putin knows he does not have the resources to survive a drawn out war. 58Sunliner Mar 2022 #7
I've heard people are travelling to Ukraine to join the fight ibegurpard Mar 2022 #8
good point. and a better option stopdiggin Mar 2022 #12
We Could've Saved Ukraine the Trouble and Just Told Them to Surrender. ruet Mar 2022 #15
That's the crux of the matter, indeed. bluewater Mar 2022 #17
Actually, we did tell President Zelinsky to save himself and get out, Sogo Mar 2022 #20
NATO is the Doomsday device from Dr Strangelove enki23 Mar 2022 #23
De rec. Celerity Mar 2022 #24
This is President Biden's and all of NATO's FDR moment PortTack Mar 2022 #26
Even though Putin has nukes and gives the impression that he would use them Samrob Mar 2022 #27
Look at his inner brass. I just don't see any heros there. Just career Putin sycophants. herding cats Mar 2022 #29
President Biden is doing the right thing. eom Emile Mar 2022 #28
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