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PortTack

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26. This is President Biden's and all of NATO's FDR moment
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 05:01 AM
Mar 2022

An island nation alone, Churchill begged FDR for troops, more supplies but could not act until provoked. FDR wanted badly to help but his hands were tied

I don’t think it’s Putin’s threat of nuclear war, that keeps us from acting, and President Biden as much as said so. 2 things, one, we cannot act alone in this, we have to act with all of NATO and the E.U. the E.U. is not willing yet, but is preparing. We, being all of NATO are using this time judiciously to train, reinforce and prepare ppl for the prospect of a war. If it comes, NATO will bury Russia and the Putin era will end..and putin knows this, so he threatens. That’s all he’s got when it comes to war against NATO.

Being the vain small man he is just like the tfg, he cares very deeply about his image and how he will be viewed. Here in lies his conundrum, if he withdraws without a win, in his mind he will be seen as weak. If he uses nukes, he knows he will be forever hated by the world, so he ignores the situation and pushes forward with his mythical dream of Russia the great and powerful empire. He really is living in an alternate reality. Just like Hitler...or Stalin, his personal hero.

Secondly, President Biden at this point has the hearts and minds of the American ppl and even some gqp politicians. If he were to press for this and it ended badly..OMFG they would bury him and all Dems saying he directly caused WWIII. To say nothing of how Putin, possibly his oligarchs and maybe even China would ramp it up claiming the west really is the aggressor, and, play right into Putin’s hand. JMHO: I wouldn’t be surprised if some incursion by some Russian pilot or Chechen thugs doesn’t bring an attack at the border of a NATO nation therefore invoking article 5

It's not that we object... lame54 Mar 2022 #1
When it comes to a cognitively-impaired nutter with nukes, being scared isn't a bad thing. n/t TygrBright Mar 2022 #2
But it injects doubt in NATO's willingness to act to defend NATO members in the future. bluewater Mar 2022 #4
Get back to us when the nutter with nukes actually lays a foot in NATO territory herding cats Mar 2022 #30
A lot of people seem willing to risk nuclear war from behind a keyboard. NT A Clearing Mar 2022 #3
But we will risk that nuclear war if Putin invades, say, Bulgaria, right? bluewater Mar 2022 #5
It's a disingenuous argument. A Clearing Mar 2022 #6
If Russia promised to nuke your hometown if the U.S. intervened militarily, I suspect you'd think.." 58Sunliner Mar 2022 #9
It's a totally consistent argument bluewater Mar 2022 #10
Ukraine is NOT an ally (in any meaningful sense) stopdiggin Mar 2022 #16
+1. The situation is NOT analogous stopdiggin Mar 2022 #11
Ukraine was invaded simply for being our ally. It's totally analogous. bluewater Mar 2022 #14
"Ukraine was invaded simply for being our ally." stopdiggin Mar 2022 #18
Wait, What Do You Think They Invaded For? ruet Mar 2022 #19
don't be ridiculous. both of these things were very remote stopdiggin Mar 2022 #22
Read this below (the full article) and learn of Putin's true agenda. herding cats Mar 2022 #31
yes Skittles Mar 2022 #13
Thanks. A Clearing Mar 2022 #21
+100000000 Celerity Mar 2022 #25
I agree. Putin knows he does not have the resources to survive a drawn out war. 58Sunliner Mar 2022 #7
I've heard people are travelling to Ukraine to join the fight ibegurpard Mar 2022 #8
good point. and a better option stopdiggin Mar 2022 #12
We Could've Saved Ukraine the Trouble and Just Told Them to Surrender. ruet Mar 2022 #15
That's the crux of the matter, indeed. bluewater Mar 2022 #17
Actually, we did tell President Zelinsky to save himself and get out, Sogo Mar 2022 #20
NATO is the Doomsday device from Dr Strangelove enki23 Mar 2022 #23
De rec. Celerity Mar 2022 #24
This is President Biden's and all of NATO's FDR moment PortTack Mar 2022 #26
Even though Putin has nukes and gives the impression that he would use them Samrob Mar 2022 #27
Look at his inner brass. I just don't see any heros there. Just career Putin sycophants. herding cats Mar 2022 #29
President Biden is doing the right thing. eom Emile Mar 2022 #28
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