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hootinholler

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35. Can we wait until we've had 3 presidents in this century before making those claims?

Fri Jan 13, 2012, 02:47 PM

Jan 2012

Personally I wouldn't character his legislative success as tremendous, although I will say the ball has moved in the right direction.

My major criticism is that he has not fought. He did not stand up for us from the beginning. I think if he had then he would have had greater legislative success. I think if he had gotten up on the pulpit we would have maintained a D majority in the house in 2010 and we would be holding a 62 or 63 majority in the senate.

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I find it dubious, but if there's anything to the claims that there are throngs of liberal Paulites [View all] whatchamacallit Jan 2012 OP

You're right. There's nothing to the claims maximusveritas Jan 2012 #1

... gateley Jan 2012 #3

No, it says a lot about the lack of real information pnwmom Jan 2012 #2

So which is it? whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #5

Those people's ignorance is driving them to a maniac. pnwmom Jan 2012 #7

Well that's the convenient rationale whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #10

Huh? Obama is the most Progressive president we've had in a LOOOONG time. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #12

Lol! Being regarded as the most progressive out of Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #18

Right, FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #19

He's prowar, pro corporate, and moving as swiftly as possible to remove hard won civil liberties whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #23

You may want to study the other 3 progressive presidents first. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #25

Read better whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #28

Can we wait until we've had 3 presidents in this century before making those claims? hootinholler Jan 2012 #35

It's tremendous given the rabid opposition and obstructionism he faces. That's just reality. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #36

We need to separate the comprimises the administration has been forced into by the opposition whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #39

Please elaborate. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #44

But that is no excuse for the pre-compromises made hootinholler Jan 2012 #41

Really, not that much? Not much else to start with being the House is controlled by the R's. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #43

Well the earliest one I'm aware of was the deal with PHARMA hootinholler Jan 2012 #45

Which deal was that? Are you referring to the HC bill? FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #46

The first of many give aways during the health care bill hootinholler Jan 2012 #48

Could you elaborate further? What was the giveaway? FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #50

Estimated at around $75 billion in a secret meeting. hootinholler Jan 2012 #53

I dislike him because in three years hfojvt Jan 2012 #38

Those tax cuts were being held hostage for middle class tax cuts. He really had no choice with FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #47

Excuse you?! aquarius venus Jan 2012 #32

Ron Paul backed the Afghan war. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #34

the liberal paulites are miniscule in number, they're just loud and annoying. dionysus Jan 2012 #49

31% of Pauls votes in NH were "somewhat liberal." joshcryer Jan 2012 #58

Voting for Ron Paul pretty much means that you're not a liberal. Zorra Jan 2012 #63

Can't disagree with you there, that's what the exit poll said, though. joshcryer Jan 2012 #64

Actually it says more about them "Oh Look, Pretty Bow" SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #4

Yes...there are NathanTheGreat Jan 2012 #6

Where have you been? Obama's support has been gaining, not falling, over the last several months; pnwmom Jan 2012 #8

Don't trust polls NathanTheGreat Jan 2012 #42

Uh. he has an 85% approval rating with Liberals. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #51

My eyes and ears are getting different information than yours. n/t pnwmom Jan 2012 #55

ROFL snooper2 Jan 2012 #11

Or it could be the fact that some don't live in reality. Either way... FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #9

Maybe it has something to do with whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #15

Yes, but taking 2 steps forward then 20 steps backwards doesn't equal progress, FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #16

For the 10,000th time, nobody on the left is seriously considering Paul whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #20

How do you know that "nobody on the left is seriously considering Paul"? FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #21

Any rational person and most liberals would regard Paul as a Faustian Bargain at best. whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #27

Like I said, these people AREN'T being rational. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #29

Tell that to the self-identified liberals and Democrats who voted for Paul in NH. joshcryer Jan 2012 #56

Anyone saying they are liberal and for Paul misunderstood the word "liberal" for "libertarian" karynnj Jan 2012 #13

It says there are ignorant people out there DevonRex Jan 2012 #14

throngs bigtree Jan 2012 #17

I'd say there are throngs of potentially liberal Paulites Capitalocracy Jan 2012 #22

Ha, the people who have been "duped" whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #33

Also duped. Capitalocracy Jan 2012 #37

And what liberals are those? Huh? joshcryer Jan 2012 #57

Ron Paul is very slick and so young people are easily fooled quinnox Jan 2012 #24

I agree with audit the Fed... Capitalocracy Jan 2012 #26

There's not much to them hootinholler Jan 2012 #30

No one will be talking about Ron Paul after February, maybe sooner. JoePhilly Jan 2012 #31

No---it's not liberal support.. trumad Jan 2012 #40

I think it says a lot about myopic voters. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #52

no liberal I know would identify with Ron Paul tnvoter Jan 2012 #54

It says more about single issue privileged voters who won't be affected by the outcome. joshcryer Jan 2012 #59

Wow, you've been busy this morning whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #60

All of my responses to you in the past 24 hours were in this thread. joshcryer Jan 2012 #62

it says a lot about how ignorant the paulites are of who actually fucked this nation up spanone Jan 2012 #61