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JanMichael

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17. No but joining the EU and NATO certainly has not liberalized them either.

Fri Mar 4, 2022, 07:53 PM

Mar 2022

It has just all gone to shit.

The stories about African or Indian or other people of color getting harassed at the borders doesn't surprise me in the least.

In the 90's I saw plenty of skinhead Nazi types and ran into White Supremacist thugs at bars and "discos" more than enough times. I knew a now 70 year old Polish native with the first name Adolph (he feigned dislike of the namesake).

No NATO/EU did not "make" the Rightward swing but they sure haven't seemed to make it better.

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A different perspective on Putin and Ukraine [View all] drmeow Mar 2022 OP

IIRC, those Eastern European countries asked to join NATO... Wounded Bear Mar 2022 #1

Putin owns this. CentralMass Mar 2022 #2

Sure sounds like you're trying to lessen Russia's responsibility MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #3

Oh poor Russia, we forced them to snuff out a nation. Thank you for clearing that up. denbot Mar 2022 #4

I know I just read or heard a denial BootinUp Mar 2022 #5

Okay. Did Ukraine provoke the invasion? Caliman73 Mar 2022 #6

There's no excusing Putin's motive Sur Zobra Mar 2022 #7

It takes some amount of honesty to examine root causes or try to explain the "why". JanMichael Mar 2022 #8

Joining NATO didn't make Poland or Hungary swing right. CentralMass Mar 2022 #11

No but joining the EU and NATO certainly has not liberalized them either. JanMichael Mar 2022 #17

Last I knew it isn't in NATO's charter to inforce racial justice or liberal CentralMass Mar 2022 #20

Didn't say that thanks. The EU? JanMichael Mar 2022 #21

just an FYI: the African and Asian students trying to pass into Poland did not not have passports PortTack Mar 2022 #29

I think your RCA is good. Buckeyeblue Mar 2022 #13

Follow the money. RCA Root Cause Analysis is no good Tetrachloride Mar 2022 #24

Which is why, of course... regnaD kciN Mar 2022 #9

In 1990, Secretary of State Baker met with Gorbachev and said that NATO would not move East. marie999 Mar 2022 #10

Later Gorbachov, Igel Mar 2022 #26

So if the leaders of Russia were not dictators and criminals then they would Bev54 Mar 2022 #12

Vlad approved. BannonsLiver Mar 2022 #14

Even there, Igel Mar 2022 #27

This is what Russia wants us to say -- to deflect blame. Pobeka Mar 2022 #15

"See what you made me do..." dixiechiken1 Mar 2022 #16

But it's all okay because the abuser had a shitty childhood. Crunchy Frog Mar 2022 #35

One thing about abusers I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2022 #43

That (undocumented) agreement didn't give Eastern European nations a say. maxsolomon Mar 2022 #18

Oh, for fuck's sake. Scrivener7 Mar 2022 #19

my my my. how long has Pootie been planning this ? Tetrachloride Mar 2022 #22

+1. dalton99a Mar 2022 #37

Warmed over Putinista propaganda and apologia. Disappointing to see this here as anything tritsofme Mar 2022 #23

+1000 PortTack Mar 2022 #30

Wow, George F. Kennan, father of the Truman doctrine and the US Cold War policy of containment Celerity Mar 2022 #40

I do think that our handling of the Soviet breakup was badly botched, Crunchy Frog Mar 2022 #25

Bullshit... orwell Mar 2022 #28

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2022 #31

Russia didn't want NATO in Ukraine because they planned to invade eventually. Renew Deal Mar 2022 #32

Right. He made it clear he doesn't think Ukraine has a right to be its own country Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #38

Calling the country "The Ukraine" is the Russian way of trying to own it. Please don't. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #33

bullshit jcgoldie Mar 2022 #34

The author conveniently left out the Budapest agreement dalton99a Mar 2022 #36

Usually the RW "AIM" ("Accuracy In Media" ) pens stuff like this BumRushDaShow Mar 2022 #39

ty to all replies in this thread. Enlightening. Tetrachloride Mar 2022 #41

Have we failed to coddle the dictator's delicate psyche in the manner Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #42