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EndlessWire

(8,103 posts)
102. I am responding to you because of the yellow tab.
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 01:19 AM
Mar 2022

And, that's all.

I told no lies. I was referring to the fact that the airplane deal fell through. I am sorry, I should have been clearer. GIVE THEM THE DAMNED PLANES. Half the thread thought I meant US planes. I am pretty up on daily, almost hourly, events. At least through last week. This week I will be fairly busy. But, last week Ukraine requested a no-fly zone, we (and, because my "we" is a generic NATO "we," I should just anticipate that you won't understand that, so I am telling you) said no, and Zelensky said, rather heart breakingly, well, if you can't do a no fly zone, at least send us the planes.

Apparently, they still need planes to fight. Many people wanted to excuse that by saying that they still had planes. People point out that many countries have sent military hardware. All of that is true. The US, in particular, has sent many tons of goods. We have sent planes through Poland. NATO has responded very well. We activated that forward defense thing, beefing up troop levels and putting ships to sea. All well and good.

But, Ukraine still needs to create a no fly zone, and they still need more planes to do that, and they need anti aircraft systems. It's not like the people are just sitting there not fighting back. They are fighting like hell. They will continue fighting. But, they could use some help. We said, no troops on the ground; we said, no no-fly zone; we finally said, we'll think about getting you more planes to make your own no-fly zone.

I did not lie. What is a lie to you? I did not say that NATO had done nothing. I said that we would not send troops. I said we wouldn't establish a no fly zone for them. And, at that point, the last I heard was that the plane deal had fallen apart.

"NATO won't do anything." This is a conditional, futuristic phrase based on the fact that NATO wasn't going to send aircraft at that point.

I don't know you. You are safe to call me a liar because you are anonymous, as I am. So, you get that in. Good for you, bud. Maybe you will learn something.

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GIVE THEM THE DAMNED PLANES! [View all] EndlessWire Mar 2022 OP
Let's see what Biden will say this afternoon....... secondwind Mar 2022 #1
I absolutely agree. This is no time to pull away from these brave people. We must help them NOW. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2022 #2
Who is we? BannonsLiver Mar 2022 #3
"Try and keep up." Why be so belittling to a fellow DUer? femmedem Mar 2022 #4
Because it's irritating to me when people don't understand basic facts. BannonsLiver Mar 2022 #5
Why piss on somebody on our side because they don't meet your required HUAJIAO Mar 2022 #9
Why make an uninformed, over the top hair on fire post claiming nobody's doing anything for Ukraine? BannonsLiver Mar 2022 #12
You know very well what I mean. EndlessWire Mar 2022 #26
Been trying what you're trying for many years. Pretty Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2022 #32
OK. n/t EndlessWire Mar 2022 #74
your post was ill informed, factually incorrect stopdiggin Mar 2022 #53
the post was factually correct MadameButterfly Mar 2022 #65
I'm forgetful, of course, but was there not some agreement wherein all nuclear weapons ...... jaxexpat Mar 2022 #86
Post removed Post removed Mar 2022 #14
I have to show respect on this forum. EndlessWire Mar 2022 #27
Thank you dumbcat Mar 2022 #35
Well, of course it didn't, dear. n/t EndlessWire Mar 2022 #38
to be honest... there are a number of DU'ers who post a LOT of knowledge daily... WarGamer Mar 2022 #46
Some of us don't spend all day on our computers. BlackSkimmer Mar 2022 #68
+1000 nt WarGamer Mar 2022 #80
It's irritating to me EndlessWire Mar 2022 #22
Chalk it up to whatever you like? BannonsLiver Mar 2022 #24
Well, you do that. Thanks a lot! n/t EndlessWire Mar 2022 #29
You are always stirring shit. denbot Mar 2022 #39
And not even a star member. BlackSkimmer Mar 2022 #52
Dude you're cut from the same cloth or have you forgot your crap from yesterday. denbot Mar 2022 #57
Dude you're cut from the same cloth or have you forgot your crap from yesterday. denbot Mar 2022 #58
You're repeating yourself in your personal attacks. BlackSkimmer Mar 2022 #72
They're just mad because they are Carnac the Magnificent! 48656c6c6f20 Mar 2022 #41
Not correct. Nevilledog Mar 2022 #16
Who are you? n/t EndlessWire Mar 2022 #19
Who are you? BannonsLiver Mar 2022 #21
We could fund Poland and provide geopolitical cover. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #28
agree with stop being belittling. CommonHumanity Mar 2022 #43
+1000 smirkymonkey Mar 2022 #54
This has been explained OVER and OVER AGAIN BannonsLiver Mar 2022 #82
so is there a news knowldege requirement to post on Du MadameButterfly Mar 2022 #87
So saying NATO and the west aren't doing anything is supposed to be taken seriously? BannonsLiver Mar 2022 #88
Excuse me, but... CommonHumanity Mar 2022 #98
THis isn't about NATO MadameButterfly Mar 2022 #99
I believe I read that Ukraine requested airplanes and parts for the type of planes they usajumpedtheshark Mar 2022 #6
Followed your link: This is not why the plane order was cancelled. EndlessWire Mar 2022 #36
I am for giving them planes, drones, anti aircraft equipment, all of it. Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #7
Me, too. hamsterjill Mar 2022 #83
We need to give them some advanced surface to air missiles Calculating Mar 2022 #8
THEY ARE NOT USING NATO EQUIPTMENT. They use Russian planes. Tommymac Mar 2022 #10
Exactly correct 32571 Mar 2022 #15
Incorrect. Poland has offered Russian planes. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #33
They need to be trained on the Polish updated Mig 29s. Long and Short RU AA would be 10 times more uponit7771 Mar 2022 #59
I used to work for an aircraft company, a rather large one. EndlessWire Mar 2022 #73
Poor baby. n/t EndlessWire Mar 2022 #20
Poland is NATO. Poland has offered Russian planes. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #30
No, but it makes it very easy to ignore things. Tommymac Mar 2022 #31
then what good is NATO in a emergency & have a contract dispute ? monkeyman1 Mar 2022 #48
They have pilots trained on Warthogs according to a former NATO commander ColinC Mar 2022 #51
True, they're not EFFICIENT at using them and Short and long range RU AA would do UKR way more uponit7771 Mar 2022 #60
And migs. Migs would be great. ColinC Mar 2022 #62
UKR doesn't need more migs, they need the drones and Turkey is airlifting them as we type uponit7771 Mar 2022 #67
Thanks! ColinC Mar 2022 #71
+1, uponit7771 Mar 2022 #56
This isn't WWI or WWII FBaggins Mar 2022 #11
Spot on 32571 Mar 2022 #13
And the countries that they WERE going to get planes from EndlessWire Mar 2022 #23
Seriously? Could we please apply more than a 4th grade analysis? FBaggins Mar 2022 #90
+1, the Polish planes were updated Mig 29s that UKR pilots have not trained on. UKR is doing ... uponit7771 Mar 2022 #61
Maybe they could buy more from Russia? FBaggins Mar 2022 #89
right ... lol uponit7771 Mar 2022 #97
Just get it over with Lurker Deluxe Mar 2022 #17
What's a bluff? EndlessWire Mar 2022 #25
Poland is the only NATO country that has planes the Ukrainians could field effectively. Calista241 Mar 2022 #18
Agree. Give them the planes they can fly now, ie radius777 Mar 2022 #34
Ukraine must receive those MIGs via land or sea; NATO cannot be seen as providing air cover. BlueWavePsych Mar 2022 #37
What about Bulgarian, Romanian, and Slovakian aircraft? n/t sl8 Mar 2022 #91
They don't have any Mig-29s to really spare. Calista241 Mar 2022 #94
Thanks. n/t sl8 Mar 2022 #96
"...if we won't honor our agreement to defend (Ukraine)... LudwigPastorius Mar 2022 #40
I guess I believe in honesty. EndlessWire Mar 2022 #47
The way I phrased it was a direct quote... LudwigPastorius Mar 2022 #69
Nope EndlessWire Mar 2022 #85
you 'missed' it because it isn't there stopdiggin Mar 2022 #63
YES!!!!!!! 58Sunliner Mar 2022 #42
"Send in the planes . . . colorado_ufo Mar 2022 #44
I can't disagree but what are Poland et al supposed to be fighting with if their planes have already BamaRefugee Mar 2022 #45
That's okay. EndlessWire Mar 2022 #49
If putin attacks Poland, Poland is in NATO. Justice matters. Mar 2022 #50
At age 70, and seen a TON of things happen, I am skeptical. BamaRefugee Mar 2022 #66
putin (and more importantly, his army leaders) also know Justice matters. Mar 2022 #76
UKR still has a majority of their air force still in tack, RU air power isn't the big issue its ... uponit7771 Mar 2022 #64
RU air power is like the best relief pitcher on a baseball team. BamaRefugee Mar 2022 #70
I agree...FUCK Putin and the tank he rode in on world wide wally Mar 2022 #55
Don't give, SELL. CaptainTruth Mar 2022 #75
no argument here. barbtries Mar 2022 #77
I lived through the Cold War and so did Lawrence O'Donnell... mudstump Mar 2022 #78
TY. n/t EndlessWire Mar 2022 #92
Well, I checked on this and saw a Politico article, as well as PatrickforB Mar 2022 #79
I'd let them fly combat sorties out of Poland prodigitalson Mar 2022 #81
Play that out. LudwigPastorius Mar 2022 #100
There is a reason I'm not in charge of such things. prodigitalson Mar 2022 #103
I was under the impression from reading posts here that Meowmee Mar 2022 #84
Surface to air missiles. harumph Mar 2022 #93
They don't know how to fly our planes. gldstwmn Mar 2022 #95
NATO have been helping them out. It's a lie to say they're not. rockfordfile Mar 2022 #101
I am responding to you because of the yellow tab. EndlessWire Mar 2022 #102
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