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Takket

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11. why the US?

Tue Mar 8, 2022, 10:26 PM

Mar 2022

I understand from some reading that Poland wants old F-16s from the US in exchange for giving up their Migs, but why does the US need to take possession of the Migs? Can't we just agree to send the F-16s, and Poland gets them to the Ukraine? Does Poland want the US to offically make the transfer because it is "safer" for them in case Putin wants to retaliate?

I would imagine the US is concerned with Putin potentially escalating nuclear rhetoric if the US personally flies the planes to Ukraine? Or are we concerned with American pilots being shot down?

Can't we tell Ukraine to send a plane to our base full of pilot and they can fly the planes back themselves?

I think we should do this. I don't really see a threat here of WW3 erupting over the transfer of these jets. Is this any "worse" in Putin's eyes than all the weapons we already gave Ukraine? And the sanctions destroying Russia's economy?

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Ted Lieu and Adam Kinzinger on the Pentagon's refusal to transfer MiG jets from Poland to Ukraine. [View all] femmedem Mar 2022 OP

W.T.F. mainer Mar 2022 #1

As am I.. Deuxcents Mar 2022 #4

Here we go again. Gonna hear how weak Dems are. Lunch Putin in the face while we can. Pepsidog Mar 2022 #56

I'm with Ted. Always. dchill Mar 2022 #2

One of our best. femmedem Mar 2022 #5

I agree with you, too. dchill Mar 2022 #6

: onecaliberal Mar 2022 #3

K&R! n/t AntiFascist Mar 2022 #7

Come on..let's get this done PortTack Mar 2022 #8

Who at the Pentagon made this decision? Budi Mar 2022 #9

Someone in the pocket of Russian oligarch? n/t AntiFascist Mar 2022 #10

Flynn's brother I bet uponit7771 Mar 2022 #13

Flynn's brother maybe? nt woodsprite Mar 2022 #51

The White House former9thward Mar 2022 #22

Sounds as tho the Pentagon had a major decision in this move. Budi Mar 2022 #32

why the US? Takket Mar 2022 #11

Too much risk IronLionZion Mar 2022 #29

Is this what's holding up the show? KS Toronado Mar 2022 #49

Joe, pick up the phone, order them to do it and do it NOW Eliot Rosewater Mar 2022 #12

+1, uponit7771 Mar 2022 #14

I think he will jcgoldie Mar 2022 #16

Poland stepped-up, but they want U.S. skin in the game. Pentagon says nyet! nt Cognitive_Resonance Mar 2022 #15

"Pentagon says "nyet". " Means what exactly?.... Budi Mar 2022 #36

Looks like Poland called a bluff. DoD wasn't onboard. Unclear what's really going on. nt Cognitive_Resonance Mar 2022 #45

when I was in the service , D.O.D.-- dept .of dumbells !! monkeyman1 Mar 2022 #54

I want to hear what Lieu's and Kinzinger's "substantive rationale" is gulliver Mar 2022 #17

It could be that both Biden, Pentagon are playing this for their one man audience. ancianita Mar 2022 #18

I have to agree with this gay texan Mar 2022 #24

The very strength of our strategy is that we play as if we don't strategize. ancianita Mar 2022 #35

I tend to agree... kentuck Mar 2022 #50

what's going on, Pentagon doesn't want to share jets with Poland? AlexSFCA Mar 2022 #19

I agree 100% with Ted and Adam. Stop giving in to Putin. sinkingfeeling Mar 2022 #20

You know Putin has nukes, right? Beaverhausen Mar 2022 #21

You know we got nukes, right? It's who strikes fastest and first. HE better not give US an excuse. ancianita Mar 2022 #37

At this point I wonder if Putin's nukes might blow up in his face like the war so far. Pepsidog Mar 2022 #57

They have more missiles.... SergeStorms Mar 2022 #58

More isn't faster. We have more anti-missile power. His are circled around Moscow. ancianita Mar 2022 #60

My understanding of this is that Poland is sending the MIGs and we will PatrickforB Mar 2022 #23

The real problem here is: James48 Mar 2022 #25

Yeah. Well you might be explaining their thinking, but seriously, ancianita Mar 2022 #38

Pretending we are not at war is the only thing preventing us from actually being at war. LudwigPastorius Mar 2022 #42

I hear you. Point taken. But now Putin's daring the world to stop his war. ancianita Mar 2022 #43

"as Ukraine goes, so the EU goes." LudwigPastorius Mar 2022 #46

Like I said. ancianita Mar 2022 #52

Just do it. Joinfortmill Mar 2022 #26

This could be a little dicey...... Hulk Mar 2022 #27

Can't we put them on Trucks? nt Gore1FL Mar 2022 #28

Russia will hit them with air strikes while on the ground IronLionZion Mar 2022 #31

Loose Lips Sink Ships DallasNE Mar 2022 #30

Yup. A misstep in communication, & the situation cannot afford that right now. Budi Mar 2022 #34

Tomorrow, Jen P should say: " Shit. A bunch of Ukrainian ... Whiskeytide Mar 2022 #33

It's not impossible to think boyedav1969 Mar 2022 #39

It's called "plausible deniability" and it is to prevent the escalation into nuclear war. LudwigPastorius Mar 2022 #40

The solution is: kentuck Mar 2022 #41

Well that means that we'd have a NATO-Russia war. Would China stand by? Maybe. ancianita Mar 2022 #44

The US can't just "immediately bring Ukraine into NATO". Mariana Mar 2022 #64

Why the fuck are operational national security matters being spouted all over fucking twitter??? Shanti Shanti Shanti Mar 2022 #47

IMHO, if they are playing this out in public, there is most likely another scenario going on vsrazdem Mar 2022 #48

I heard someone say today that drones would better serve radical noodle Mar 2022 #59

Just my opinion but I believe its smoke and mirrors here Cheezoholic Mar 2022 #53

K & R. Thank You. Yours is the only sensible answer there is. Budi Mar 2022 #62

Consult fast DFW Mar 2022 #55

My guess liberal_patriot_md Mar 2022 #61

Maybe the Pentagon is using the media to hide what they're really doing from the Republicans. halfulglas Mar 2022 #63