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Gore1FL

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32. Russia is hemorrhaging badly economically. They are losing on the battlefield.

Wed Mar 9, 2022, 01:35 PM

Mar 2022

They are embarrassed on the world stage and completely losing the public relations side of this.

Other than direct military involvement, which seems pretty unnecessary at this point, especially given the risks, what should they do differently that wouldn't change the terrible dynamic the Russians are facing?

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So, why can't the Ukrainian pilots go to Poland and fly the planes out of the country [View all] Baitball Blogger Mar 2022 OP

Because NATO in general, and the US in particular are afraid it would offend Putin. Chainfire Mar 2022 #1

We have a humanitarian dog in this fight. Baitball Blogger Mar 2022 #8

Yup. And it is weak-sauce. Happy Hoosier Mar 2022 #10

NATO and the US consider that it may be considered A Bridge Too Far. Chainfire Mar 2022 #18

We'll see. Happy Hoosier Mar 2022 #24

I don't really get that either. NATO isn't flying the planes into Ukraine. Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #2

Exactly what I'm saying. Tommy Carcetti Mar 2022 #3

+1 Baitball Blogger Mar 2022 #6

And then putin goes after Moldava... HUAJIAO Mar 2022 #9

Putin could very well go after Moldova regardless. Tommy Carcetti Mar 2022 #13

He already is relayerbob Mar 2022 #19

If this was easy peasy it would have been done by now Sherman A1 Mar 2022 #14

So our leaders have never made a wrong decision? Doc Sportello Mar 2022 #31

Why not send them to Sweden or Finland? Ocelot II Mar 2022 #4

Even better, Moldova. Tommy Carcetti Mar 2022 #20

Leave the keys in them and go to lunch. n/t Whiskeytide Mar 2022 #5

+1 Baitball Blogger Mar 2022 #7

Similar to my thoughts relayerbob Mar 2022 #15

My thoughts exactally.. and on the seat is a bunch of sticky backed UKR insignias..nt mitch96 Mar 2022 #27

Because TheFarseer Mar 2022 #11

Gosh, we just ain't doin' nuthin' Sherman A1 Mar 2022 #17

Not doing enough is different from doing nothing. ColinC Mar 2022 #30

Russia is hemorrhaging badly economically. They are losing on the battlefield. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #32

In addition to that, they are bombing hospitals and specifically targeting children and civlians ColinC Mar 2022 #35

That would work save, among other things, the 1000+ active nuclear warheads available to Russia. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #45

I wouldn't say they are losing on the battlefield. Calista241 Mar 2022 #47

The Russian military may be intact, but they are also in-the-mud. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #52

In your opinion Sherman A1 Mar 2022 #33

That won't be an issue ColinC Mar 2022 #36

In your opinion Sherman A1 Mar 2022 #37

Yes. ColinC Mar 2022 #38

Oh, Vindman Sherman A1 Mar 2022 #39

Director of European Affairs for NSC from 2008-2019. ColinC Mar 2022 #40

I'll trust the Biden Administration to Sherman A1 Mar 2022 #42

"Monday Morning Quarterbacks" ColinC Mar 2022 #43

And the Biden Administration has the Sherman A1 Mar 2022 #46

Lol. I trust our president. ColinC Mar 2022 #49

What I am saying, is that people like Vindman and Lieu suggest to me that the opinion of the admin. ColinC Mar 2022 #50

Sorry I'm making you so angry TheFarseer Mar 2022 #41

Defensive weapons vs potentially offensive ones Sherman A1 Mar 2022 #44

We're letting Putin set all the terms and conditions-- Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #28

He can set all of the conditions he wants. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #34

The Risk Is Real The Magistrate Mar 2022 #12

HAve some Ukrainian farmers tow them in relayerbob Mar 2022 #16

+1 bigtree Mar 2022 #22

This is due to cold war thinking.... OneBlueDotS-Carolina Mar 2022 #21

The issue is not how they are transferred Abnredleg Mar 2022 #25

So I guess we can't send them drones either? gab13by13 Mar 2022 #26

See .my post below Abnredleg Mar 2022 #29

Turkey sent the UAVs under contract, prior to invasion. OneBlueDotS-Carolina Mar 2022 #58

My opinion differs, as does the... OneBlueDotS-Carolina Mar 2022 #56

It was the Pentagon that said no Abnredleg Mar 2022 #57

One might have thought that Kirby OneBlueDotS-Carolina Mar 2022 #60

There was clearly poor communication Abnredleg Mar 2022 #64

This isn't a leak OneBlueDotS-Carolina Mar 2022 #65

No, it isn't Abnredleg Mar 2022 #66

Putin just bombed a maternity and children's hospital causing a lot of casualties... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #54

I wonder where the line is... OneBlueDotS-Carolina Mar 2022 #59

Since they have already committed 'atrocities'... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #61

I assumed, for some strange reason, OneBlueDotS-Carolina Mar 2022 #62

Here is a good analysis on our various options Abnredleg Mar 2022 #23

That is a good list of options. It seems like the drones are very effective and they're basically sciencescience Mar 2022 #53

What happens if they get in a fight and have to defend themselves after they enter Ukrainian Calista241 Mar 2022 #48

Russia has no interest in taking on a force with a population of nearly a billion people and 6k ColinC Mar 2022 #51

So I won't disagree with you. Calista241 Mar 2022 #63

But I want it! Iggo Mar 2022 #55