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In reply to the discussion: NATO must go to war against Putin now, with the US and Biden... [View all]Fiendish Thingy
(24,557 posts)Perhaps I wasnt clear in my OP, but Im not advocating for all out war against Russia, in Russia, only that NATO move in to Ukraine and fight against Russians there in order to stop the genocide now in progress. Im advocating for NATO forces to enter Ukraine and engage in only defensive operations, similar to the UN peacekeeping mission in the former Yugoslavia (well, the parts that were actually peacekeeping).
Im well aware of the risk that Putin could launch a tactical nuclear strike on Ukraine or even on a NATO nation. He is using the threat of MAD to keep NATO out of the fight. If he succeeds, then The de facto NATO policy becomes any nuclear power May commit genocide against a non-nuclear power unimpeded.
IMO, The civilized world must take the risk that Putins order to launch WWIII would not be followed. Even If he launches a single tactical nuke, just think about the worlds reaction. I dont know if his inner circle would allow him to order a second strike, knowing that, since NATO has very few short range tactical nukes compared to Russia, and the likely NATO response would be to level Moscow. Putin needs to be the one sweating out the possibility of WWIII, not NATO.
NATO forces could easily defeat the Russians in Ukraine with conventional warfare, then the question will be forced upon Putin and his inner circle- do we accept defeat in Ukraine, and let Russia survive , or do we destroy the world?
Up until about 48 hours ago, I was satisfied with the approach the NATO allies were taking and patient to wait for sanctions to have their effect. Then, Putins objective appeared to change. Instead of conquering and occupying Ukraine, his primary goal now seems to sow as much death and destruction, knowing he could never occupy and control such a courageous nation. Instead, he now intends to kill as many as possible, declare victory, and await his next opportunity.
I strongly urge you to read the essay at the link in my OP. In addition to supporting my position about NATO, it also makes the case that, if The Ukraine war ends with Putin still in power, he will continue his quest to reconstitute the USSR, expand his nuclear arsenal, and eventually attack NATO, likely starting with the Baltic states.
It really isnt a question of whether to fight Putin or not; its a question of whether to fight him now in Ukraine, on NATOs terms, or a little while from now, after the Ukraine genocide is complete, somewhere else, on Putins terms.
NOTE: if Russia could be expelled from the UN, or at least removed from the security council (there is a theory that they have no right to their seat, since the charter states the USSR, not Russia, has a permanent seat), then you can substitute UN peacekeepers for NATO forces in my OP and this post.