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Wingus Dingus

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43. I agree with you that severe sanctions need to be in place for the foreseeable future--

Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:13 PM

Mar 2022

Both as punishment for now, and as future deterrence. However, what you wrote about Putin re-establishing an empire really applies to the situation as it stood a very looooong month ago: back when Putin was confident in his VERY WRONG intel reports about Ukraine's citizens and Zelensky's government, and confident in his VERY WRONG assessment of Russia's military capabilities, and confident in his VERY WRONG assessment of how the West was weak and would not be able to respond in a unified fashion.

He may still want to get the old band back together, but he has learned that a lot of his assumptions of only a few weeks ago were very flawed. He is almost certainly going to have to reassess his aims, especially in light of the massive death toll of his troops, and the economic damage of sanctions and western companies leaving.

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Toxic Putin is going for bust. The west must stop him before this contagion spreads [View all] babylonsister Mar 2022 OP

I think we are going to end up in a shooting war eventually with Russia Walleye Mar 2022 #1

That will be the end of the world. LisaL Mar 2022 #2

Yes, that well might be ... but then again, does the rest of the world allow Putin to RKP5637 Mar 2022 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #9

Agree!!! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2022 #13

This is the sword of Damocles that has been hanging over our heads since I was a child in the 50s Walleye Mar 2022 #10

Very good point. paleotn Mar 2022 #14

Yes, I clearly remember that, when the Soviet Union wnylib Mar 2022 #52

Yes, the feeling I'm getting now is both sickening and familiar Walleye Mar 2022 #53

I had a brother in the Navy during wnylib Mar 2022 #58

I was also 13 in the Cuban missile crisis. Living very close to a major East Coast airbase Walleye Mar 2022 #59

Once the Missile Crisis was over and wnylib Mar 2022 #63

There are several battles we are fighting now that I thought we had won a long time ago Walleye Mar 2022 #64

I was literally, physically nauseated wnylib Mar 2022 #69

Greatly increases the risk, no doubt... paleotn Mar 2022 #11

That is mere supposition. harumph Mar 2022 #24

I'm not so sure. Look at what they're doing now. Crimes against humanity Walleye Mar 2022 #57

This YoshidaYui Mar 2022 #36

You may be right. fightforfreedom Mar 2022 #3

+100000. wnylib Mar 2022 #70

Yes, sadly, I think it might be inevitable. Putin has become a madman. I don't see how he can RKP5637 Mar 2022 #7

I think that also. If we would only help Ukraine more, Ray Bruns Mar 2022 #21

At this point the only way we could help Ukraine more is by firing on Russian positions Walleye Mar 2022 #23

Sadly... 2naSalit Mar 2022 #50

Problem for Toxic Man is, the Ukrainians won't be bombed or battered into submission. paleotn Mar 2022 #5

Do they have a history of resistance? former9thward Mar 2022 #83

Evil motherfucker is a clear menace to all humanity dalton99a Mar 2022 #6

Exactly, and any thinking he will give up and just go away are tragically mistaken. RKP5637 Mar 2022 #34

+1. And trying to placate a bully will only lead to more bullying dalton99a Mar 2022 #37

K&R!!! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2022 #38

That's the dilemma. I guess the lines are the NATO country borders. Evolve Dammit Mar 2022 #49

I've been sending this same message to the WH daily. sinkingfeeling Mar 2022 #8

I'm glad Biden is president instead of the article author - that's lunacy. David__77 Mar 2022 #12

Agreed 100%. hadEnuf Mar 2022 #41

Often (I think) people feel Putin will respond to sanctions, etc. as they would. However, Putin has RKP5637 Mar 2022 #15

I don't believe Putin is going anywhere else besides Ukraine, for a long while. Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #16

That's what the cautious and timid are speculating; I hope you're right Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #20

Towards that end, I read that we are not sanctioning Belarus Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #22

Interesting point that had not occurred to me. wnylib Mar 2022 #51

Belarus is of course a Putin puppet state, but the people there Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #54

Yes, the world has a right to see Belarus wnylib Mar 2022 #61

To answer your question, that's where the military analysts and experts come in! Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #62

Indeed. Considering Putin's nuclear threats, wnylib Mar 2022 #67

You keep making the same claims, but fail to back any of your arguments. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #31

Well said. Agree. wnylib Mar 2022 #71

Right. Don't forget Crimea, Georgia, Chechnya. Makes me think of how trump would realize the errors erronis Mar 2022 #27

Only idiots believed Trump would ever turn into anything better than a destructive idiot. Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #46

True. He wants to go further, wnylib Mar 2022 #73

Yep. It's hard to determine his mental state, but it's clear that Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #74

True, but his reactions wnylib Mar 2022 #77

I think there's a strong case to be made he's a psychopath, definitely. Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #78

For sure, which is why I believe (hope) wnylib Mar 2022 #79

I have to disagree. Putin has made public statements about expanding Russia's sphere of influence. Lonestarblue Mar 2022 #28

I agree with you that severe sanctions need to be in place for the foreseeable future-- Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #43

Vaporize the Vlad MFer randr Mar 2022 #17

Oh no, we can't stop Putin with our military, he *might* use nukes Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #18

Bookmarking....if the day comes russia does step outside of Ukraine, it will meet the might of NATO! PortTack Mar 2022 #25

+1 c-rational Mar 2022 #29

What if Putin seizes Latvia after Trump is reinstalled? Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #55

+1000 DemocraticPatriot Mar 2022 #84

Russia will be after the rest of the nuclear plants. EndlessWire Mar 2022 #75

Russia will be after the rest of the nuclear plants. EndlessWire Mar 2022 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author paleotn Mar 2022 #19

I'm not sure Putin is a mad man.... RicROC Mar 2022 #26

Good analysis, IMHO. The Russians wanted stability, even if it meant a return to soviet-style govt. erronis Mar 2022 #30

If I recall correctly, Bush senior used the Shock Doctrine when Yeltsin wanted to go for an economy c-rational Mar 2022 #32

He must know that world war is the only thing that might keep him in power. Jakes Progress Mar 2022 #33

Since when is the US the world's POLICE? Justice matters. Mar 2022 #35

Lots of chickenhawks bloviating lately. nt. Mariana Mar 2022 #87

Yep. Can't even "POLICE" the traitors within...nT Justice matters. Mar 2022 #88

Wouldn't it be better if someone quietly took him out YoshidaYui Mar 2022 #39

Wouldn't it be better if someone quietly took him out?? YoshidaYui Mar 2022 #40

I bet he's so well babylonsister Mar 2022 #42

As he SHOULD be! bluestarone Mar 2022 #80

since Tuck Carltooth has his head so far up Putin's ass... lambchopp59 Mar 2022 #44

There has to be some that are close to Putin Mr. Evil Mar 2022 #45

Wish NATO would inform Putler they are "unhappy" with him. KS Toronado Mar 2022 #47

There's a school of thought that Putin wants a showdown (not necessarily Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #60

Lots of thoughts on what that strategy would accomplish. KS Toronado Mar 2022 #66

I'm guessing, looking at all the "Z-swastika" shit they're doing over there Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #68

This is solely not a Ukraine situation but a world situation nightwing1240 Mar 2022 #48

While I absolutely refuse to cede Ukraine to the madman, I can't imagine that, if the worst happens, BobTheSubgenius Mar 2022 #56

History has shown us what might happen. EndlessWire Mar 2022 #72

I am SO worried about this going nuclear. BobTheSubgenius Mar 2022 #81

I totally agree. EndlessWire Mar 2022 #85

My cynicism says that too much wealth is filtering upwards for that to happen. BobTheSubgenius Mar 2022 #86

NO NUKES!! n/t XiJung Mar 2022 #65

I know the USA & our Democratic Cha Mar 2022 #82