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In reply to the discussion: Julian Assange is the tech world's Donald Trump [View all]Hissyspit
(45,790 posts)63. Yes, lies, but you all are really playing a semantics game.
and acting as if Cablegate was the only release by WikiLeaks ever.
WikiLeaks exposed lies, but that's only part of it's importance. Arguing about what constitutes a "lie" versus secret or plausible denial or lack of transparency or propaganda tactic is really just a tactic. Stuff we suspected revealed, stuff that was denied revealed (lies), stuff that was unknown revealed. Details about this have been posted her over and over for the past four years or so, and now, semantic games and parroting of mainstream pundit talking points ("there's nothing here"
, show up here again and again to replace that for political reasons. Sad.
'WikiLeaks exposed US, British govt lies about Iraq casualties'
http://www.energyandcapital.com/articles/wikileaks-saudi-oil-lies-exposed/1423
WikiLeaks Exposes Saudi Oil Lies
Yesterday, the latest Wikileaks revelation indicated Saudi Arabia's oil reserves may have been inflated by about 40%.
WikiLeaks Exposes Saudi Oil Lies
Yesterday, the latest Wikileaks revelation indicated Saudi Arabia's oil reserves may have been inflated by about 40%.
http://www.alternet.org/story/149393/wikileaks%27_most_terrifying_revelation%3A_just_how_much_our_government_lies_to_us?paging=off
N.Y. Times headline announcing its publication of the Wikileaks "Afghan War Logs": "View Is Bleaker Than Official Portrayal Of War In Afghanistan."
These "Afghan War Logs", like the Iraqi war logs after them, and much material in Wikileaks' recent release of diplomatic cables, reveal above all that U.S. Executive war-making is marked by massive deception of the American people -- particularly lying about (1) the enormous civilian casualties the U.S. is causing and (2) its claim to be pursuing a "counter-insurgency strategy" designed to install a democratic Afghan government. The Times and Guardian stories describe how these official U.S. documents reveal constant U.S. Executive Branch lying to the American people.
N.Y. Times headline announcing its publication of the Wikileaks "Afghan War Logs": "View Is Bleaker Than Official Portrayal Of War In Afghanistan."
These "Afghan War Logs", like the Iraqi war logs after them, and much material in Wikileaks' recent release of diplomatic cables, reveal above all that U.S. Executive war-making is marked by massive deception of the American people -- particularly lying about (1) the enormous civilian casualties the U.S. is causing and (2) its claim to be pursuing a "counter-insurgency strategy" designed to install a democratic Afghan government. The Times and Guardian stories describe how these official U.S. documents reveal constant U.S. Executive Branch lying to the American people.
When the Iraqi war logs were published 3 months later, they revealed even more shocking information -- particularly that U.S. soldiers had handed over Iraqi civilians to Iraqi police, knowing they would be hideously tortured employing electric drills, acid and other devices before being savagely murdered. Ellen Knickmeyer, the Washington Post Bureau chief in Baghdad in 2006, wrote that these revelations meant that U.S. officials had been lying daily to the U.S. media
-- and American people -- by saying they were not aware of this mass murder.
-- and American people -- by saying they were not aware of this mass murder.
http://www.collateralmurder.com
The military did not reveal how the Reuters staff were killed, and stated that they did not know how the children were injured.
The military did not reveal how the Reuters staff were killed, and stated that they did not know how the children were injured.
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HA! I saw "cringeley" in the url and I thought that might be a new meme working off
MADem
Oct 2012
#4
Except that Assange actually has done and is doing things that are actually newsworthy.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Oct 2012
#5
The Anonymous people, apparently, are starting up their own "Wikileaks on Steroids."
MADem
Oct 2012
#39
I think they are going for the " massive distribution with no vetting model," I'm afraid.
MADem
Oct 2012
#48
It would be a fine solution--but I just don't see that happening. I think your latter scenario is
MADem
Oct 2012
#72
Hmmm. You do know that when you wear the costume, people do think you do the job associated with
MADem
Oct 2012
#41
You were asked for examples, not platitudes. Show us the "lies" that were exposed.
Tarheel_Dem
Oct 2012
#29
Knowing the extent of civilian casualties is, I agree, worth knowing and leaking.
randome
Oct 2012
#81
don't make fun of the sweet bebe jesus assange, you'll make someone have a sad...
dionysus
Oct 2012
#70
Assange makes me have "a sad" for all the suckers who've forked over $$$$$.
Tarheel_Dem
Oct 2012
#95
Actually, yes. There is proof that Assange did not merely recieive, but facilitated theft.
msanthrope
Oct 2012
#99
What do you think a government should do to prevent military secrets from being stolen?
randome
Oct 2012
#62
"By longstanding first amendment tradition, third parties such as news organisations — even..."
Hissyspit
Oct 2012
#96
I can't imagine what you think is illegal about Paypal not allowing payments to Wikileaks
mythology
Oct 2012
#103
Fascinating observation, given that the 'author' simply linked to an article and provided snippets.
randome
Oct 2012
#43
I don't know this for a fact, so don't come at me. This is speculation, some of it.
MADem
Oct 2012
#80
I truly think the writer of the article is carrying water for elements of Anonymous.
MADem
Oct 2012
#90
I have a proposal ~ let's call a truce, let this thread die, and get President Obama re-elected.
Zorra
Oct 2012
#47
The characterization is a tiny part of the article, a hook--the big news is on page 2. nt
MADem
Oct 2012
#83
As I've said elsewhere, I believe this correspondent is carrying water for elements of Anonymous.
MADem
Oct 2012
#111
Assange may be a blowhard, but at least he's doing something helpful via WikiLeaks.
Odin2005
Oct 2012
#68
Wait leaking classified Gitmo documents is like asking for Obama college records?
Puregonzo1188
Oct 2012
#84