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FBaggins

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124. Changing the subject?

Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:33 AM

Mar 2022

Think anyone on the thread can't guess why?

Slightly more logical an argument... but still not particularly logical. Why would the relative safety of a much older version of the technology have anything to do with whether the latest version should be looked at?

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A possible return to atomic power??? WTH??? 🤬 🤬 🤬 [View all] a kennedy Mar 2022 OP

Anyone who has a remote sense of reality would applaud this. NNadir Mar 2022 #1

Guess I don't have a remote sense of reality..... a kennedy Mar 2022 #5

I guess not. NNadir Mar 2022 #19

Correct, you don't correct! Nt USALiberal Mar 2022 #44

No. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2022 #150

It's okay. Every action has costs and benefits that change as Hortensis Mar 2022 #160

I agree with you. Buckeyeblue Mar 2022 #33

+1000 Freethinker65 Mar 2022 #34

I agree. Happy Hoosier Mar 2022 #46

Good luck with all the spent fuel. Kid Berwyn Mar 2022 #51

Anyone who is concerned about valuable used nuclear fuel when... NNadir Mar 2022 #58

So, you don't know what to do with the nuclear waste. Kid Berwyn Mar 2022 #61

Post removed Post removed Mar 2022 #64

Wow!!!! MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #74

Damn, I missed it dumbcat Mar 2022 #80

It was pretty much to the point about what he thought of the other's MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #82

Karen Silkwood was murdered trying to tell the truth about nuclear power. Kid Berwyn Mar 2022 #86

Dude or dudette, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #89

Right back at ya. Kid Berwyn Mar 2022 #94

+100 agree. MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #97

Well hopefully the plant discussed in the OP isn't going to build using 1970s tech. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2022 #96

Nuclear power will never be safe...not from accidents, attacks etc. We can do better. And while Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #77

Lift the ban on reprocessing Amishman Mar 2022 #92

The land mismanagement going on in the name of solar jeffreyi Mar 2022 #155

Exactly. Layzeebeaver Mar 2022 #83

I certainly do. This subject and our agreement on it is how we met on here. Celerity Mar 2022 #168

Reading Bill Gates latest book... WarGamer Mar 2022 #2

Gonna have to read his book...thanks a kennedy Mar 2022 #7

I know he's a weird dude... WarGamer Mar 2022 #11

I used to think no, but small scale seems feasible and I support it. Pobeka Mar 2022 #3

The article stated "the company's small-scale nuclear generating technology", multigraincracker Mar 2022 #24

Yep. I saw that. Thanks. Pobeka Mar 2022 #39

Its hardly a carbon free power source when the fuel must be mined and processed Blues Heron Mar 2022 #4

This story says about 1/100th exboyfil Mar 2022 #12

I looked it up the other day will try and find it. Blues Heron Mar 2022 #15

If the mining equipment is run off electricity exboyfil Mar 2022 #18

we are talking fuel here - like I said Blues Heron Mar 2022 #26

If we are dickering over 9g/kwh vs 11g/kwh RandomNumbers Mar 2022 #79

It's net positive over the years while FF is not, Nuke power is way beyond 3 Mile Island or Fukashim uponit7771 Mar 2022 #14

they just leave the rods in place -are you kidding? Blues Heron Mar 2022 #21

I'm sure you will point out regulations regarding transport... DiamondShark Mar 2022 #141

My point is they dismantled every last remnant of that nuke plant Blues Heron Mar 2022 #142

Do you know the regulations regarding transportation of spent fuel? DiamondShark Mar 2022 #143

You have a lot of questions - but do you have a point or an opinion? Blues Heron Mar 2022 #145

This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Mar 2022 #161

There are regualtions in place regarding transportation of spent fuel. DiamondShark Mar 2022 #162

Wind and solar are hardly carbon free considering that they require fossil fuel backup... hunter Mar 2022 #87

fuel-wise they are 100 percent carbon free Blues Heron Mar 2022 #99

Why does that matter? FBaggins Mar 2022 #114

Is this gaslighting? Blues Heron Mar 2022 #115

Pretending that only fuel-related emissions matter? I suppose one could claim that. FBaggins Mar 2022 #119

Which nuke do you think will meltdown next? Blues Heron Mar 2022 #122

Changing the subject? FBaggins Mar 2022 #124

no answer? Blues Heron Mar 2022 #125

I guess that was a "yes" FBaggins Mar 2022 #129

So which one will melt down next? Blues Heron Mar 2022 #132

Which Ones Have Actually Melted Down? ProfessorGAC Mar 2022 #164

5 meltdowns and two exclusion zones Blues Heron Mar 2022 #165

Which ones would still have happened with the design under discussion in the OP? FBaggins Mar 2022 #166

Thats so comforting Blues Heron Mar 2022 #169

So, whenever the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining we live without electricity. hunter Mar 2022 #131

You're assuming no storage. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #117

When did storage become carbon-free? FBaggins Mar 2022 #128

Which magical storage system do you have in mind? hunter Mar 2022 #134

Multiple technologies are being developed right now. By engineers. Not magicians. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #135

The unintended consequences of anti-nuclear activism Zeitghost Mar 2022 #6

yeah real safe - so safe you cant live in vast swaths of the earth now - Fukushima ring a bell? Blues Heron Mar 2022 #10

And coal plants are making the whole planet... Happy Hoosier Mar 2022 #47

Compared to the damage being caused by fossil fuels Zeitghost Mar 2022 #48

The problem with carbon pollution (fossil fuels) is the amount used, RandomNumbers Mar 2022 #85

It's over 40 years since Mile Island, come on people lets not be luddites. Atomic power is beyond... uponit7771 Mar 2022 #8

you are dreaming - its just as dangerous as ever. Fukushima was only ten years ago Blues Heron Mar 2022 #13

Fukushima was 60 years old and not supposed to be operating, your making the case for new uponit7771 Mar 2022 #16

Correction -it was 40 years old at the time of the multiple meltdowns Blues Heron Mar 2022 #69

The design started in the '50s and it was supposed to be shut down already uponit7771 Mar 2022 #102

nature shut it down for us Blues Heron Mar 2022 #105

Irrelevant point, enforce the rules nuclear works. Just like airliners. Not perfect but better than uponit7771 Mar 2022 #106

How close is your closest nuke? Blues Heron Mar 2022 #108

Not with 21st century tech, we all need to update ourselves on nuke power. Take down the old uponit7771 Mar 2022 #118

Just take them down, sounds so simple Blues Heron Mar 2022 #121

... and Build Back Better? right ? tia uponit7771 Mar 2022 #126

Company always cut corners so I am absolutely against nukes...there is no coming back from a Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #154

Same with airliners but they're fairly well regulated. uponit7771 Mar 2022 #163

"Nobody could have seen that coming"? betsuni Mar 2022 #109

pure folly Blues Heron Mar 2022 #112

Fukushima: old reactor built right on a coastal area with a long history of earthquakes/tsunamis. betsuni Mar 2022 #27

same uranium, same scam. Blues Heron Mar 2022 #28

Chernobyl and Fukushima, both seventies nuclear technology. betsuni Mar 2022 #49

Its inherently a bad idea, whatever new fangled XTRA SAFE!# tech they come up with Blues Heron Mar 2022 #50

Seventies nuclear technology makes it a bad idea? betsuni Mar 2022 #52

I think you are being deliberately obtuse here Blues Heron Mar 2022 #53

Seventies seventies seventies. It's 2022. betsuni Mar 2022 #59

The idea nuclear is carbon free is laughable Blues Heron Mar 2022 #60

Chernobyl SEVENTIES technology. betsuni Mar 2022 #62

instead of repeating yourself ad nauseum and posting silly emoticons Blues Heron Mar 2022 #63

Oh, now it's about me! betsuni Mar 2022 #65

make your argument if you have one Blues Heron Mar 2022 #67

Oh dear. All I ever said was that it's not the seventies. betsuni Mar 2022 #70

Thats compelling Blues Heron Mar 2022 #73

It's still not the seventies. betsuni Mar 2022 #76

Let's compare those track records you speak of... Zeitghost Mar 2022 #127

There are arguments for nuclear but... Renew Deal Mar 2022 #54

But no newdayneeded Mar 2022 #66

what is your point? Blues Heron Mar 2022 #68

Fukushima newdayneeded Mar 2022 #71

Was there a tsunami at Three Mile Island? Blues Heron Mar 2022 #75

Um, "Old corrupt conservative men in charge " RandomNumbers Mar 2022 #88

What do mean by "please turn on the news"? betsuni Mar 2022 #90

Fair point. Maybe I should say, look at recent history RandomNumbers Mar 2022 #91

50-50 senate. Gives each senator a veto. betsuni Mar 2022 #95

You are correct. But unfortunately it is reality. nt. RandomNumbers Mar 2022 #98

You literally just proved the point FOR clean nuclear obamanut2012 Mar 2022 #56

What on earth is clean nuclear - are you kidding? Blues Heron Mar 2022 #57

What about Japan. No to nukes...it will never be safe. Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #152

1950s design vs 2018 ... We can't be Luddite with nuke power uponit7771 Mar 2022 #153

They won't find it easy to obtain insurance nt Wicked Blue Mar 2022 #9

How come nobody ever worries about insurance for the seven million people who die each year... NNadir Mar 2022 #22

Good! Elessar Zappa Mar 2022 #17

sounds like a bumper sticker Blues Heron Mar 2022 #29

Montana did something similar last session. MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #20

You don't need batteries. Gravity systems are coming along. Pobeka Mar 2022 #40

Better get used to the idea. Triloon Mar 2022 #23

Can be done but... zipplewrath Mar 2022 #25

but we are not handling the spent fuel rods Blues Heron Mar 2022 #31

You're not wrong zipplewrath Mar 2022 #41

The technology is supposedly vastly improved... VarryOn Mar 2022 #30

thats what they said about Chernobyl - now look Blues Heron Mar 2022 #32

I'm going to assume technology has improved since '72 when it was built... VarryOn Mar 2022 #36

It's the same uranium as it's always been, same uranium mines, same processing, same waste. Blues Heron Mar 2022 #38

The same uranium that powers our Navy? Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2022 #104

yes that shit is everywhere isnt it. Blues Heron Mar 2022 #107

How many reactor accidents has the Navy had since they started using them? Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2022 #137

good safety record - keep it up! Blues Heron Mar 2022 #138

The flaws in the Soviet RBMK reactors were known in the 70s. NutmegYankee Mar 2022 #43

Yeah, 60 years ago uponit7771 Mar 2022 #100

none of the nukes are getting any younger - which will be the next to blow? Blues Heron Mar 2022 #103

We could have a meltdown every decade Zeitghost Mar 2022 #130

interesting opinion Blues Heron Mar 2022 #136

They aren't getting younger Zeitghost Mar 2022 #146

the Chernobyl exclusion zone is 1000 square miles Blues Heron Mar 2022 #147

What is the square mileage Zeitghost Mar 2022 #149

check the news bro - they keep cutting power to it Blues Heron Mar 2022 #151

We will soon know who is wrong on that particular issue Zeitghost Mar 2022 #156

Nuclear has risks but continued fossil fuel use is certain suicide. femmedem Mar 2022 #35

Nuclear is the only source BGBD Mar 2022 #37

+1, and now the fuel can be recycled down to safe exposures up close uponit7771 Mar 2022 #101

Well...three significant accidents jmowreader Mar 2022 #120

Hard to say that TMI BGBD Mar 2022 #123

Aggressive renewable energy schemes in places like California, Denmark, and Germany have failed... hunter Mar 2022 #42

I hope it happens more Meowmee Mar 2022 #45

Good, we should have done this years ago obamanut2012 Mar 2022 #55

I think nuclear may be the lesser of two evils, at least until ... dawg Mar 2022 #72

I doubt renewable ever BGBD Mar 2022 #78

I think renewables will eventually get us there, but not soon. dawg Mar 2022 #81

At least it would diminish Manchin's hold on the Democratic party. I'm for it. Samrob Mar 2022 #93

Yes please! GoneOffShore Mar 2022 #84

See coal deaths per year!!!! USALiberal Mar 2022 #110

Anti-nuclear is just being pro-climate change Sympthsical Mar 2022 #111

Nuclear plants are needed to be green dsp3000 Mar 2022 #113

Not really comfortable with nukes and "out of the box" in the same paragraph... lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #116

Shit, are they going to bring back asbestos and lead paint while they're at it? Initech Mar 2022 #133

I am for nukes Chuuku Davis Mar 2022 #139

Modern fission nuclear power is a smart alternative energy choice dwayneb Mar 2022 #140

Just stop it. Economic de-growth is the only sane path to sustainable human life on earth. Ron Green Mar 2022 #144

"Economic de-growth" So live in yurts off the land somehow? EX500rider Mar 2022 #148

I'm doing the best I can (or the least I can), and so are a lot Ron Green Mar 2022 #158

Way Past Time to Do This TuskMoar Mar 2022 #157

To have this debate about nuclear is as silly to me as debating vaccinations rictofen Mar 2022 #159

Renewables do not have enough EROEI to be the sole energy sources atm. Nuclear is a must. Celerity Mar 2022 #167