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TomWilm

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16. Both Russia and Ukraine has laws about forcing soldiers at gun point ...

Tue Mar 15, 2022, 07:30 PM

Mar 2022

... but it is not like deserters are shot down on the spot. There will be arrest and trials and so on.

Both armies have problems getting the young men to join for their mandatory military education. In Russia it has been quite normal for youngsters to go "underground" for years to stay out of the army - and there is not that much control, so they can still go to schools or have work anyway.

Now many countries encourages Russian soldiers to flee the army and the country, and they would be welcome to get asylum. These encouragements does not reach out to Ukrainian war resisters, who can get years of prison in Ukraine...

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Putin facing revolt as soldiers refuse to deploy to Ukraine: diplomat [View all] Person of Interest Mar 2022 OP

Good! SheltieLover Mar 2022 #1

Wow. tanyev Mar 2022 #2

How Does a Russian Soldiers Refuse to Take Part in the War? Indykatie Mar 2022 #3

" How Does a Russian Soldiers Refuse to Take Part in the War?" Several ways not all of them .... Botany Mar 2022 #7

I suspect the easiest way would be to go into Ukraine and then go AWOL. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #8

The number of Russians AWOL now must be sky high.... democratsruletheday Mar 2022 #10

It seems like it would be an easy way for Russian to get spies into Ukraine, then. C Moon Mar 2022 #19

Nah - a bunch of 18-20 year olds will mostly not be sophisticated spies. Lucky Luciano Mar 2022 #22

I'd bring along a change of clothing. lpbk2713 Mar 2022 #12

I think they have red tape on the arms of Rusky camo & Ukrainians have yellow tape on their camo Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #14

that's what I was thinking, because Putin can just call them dead. housecat Mar 2022 #15

That's what I was thinking... Johnyawl Mar 2022 #24

I believe I would as well. And ask forgiveness. Evolve Dammit Mar 2022 #25

I know that in the US military doing that COL Mustard Mar 2022 #31

I imagine you are 100% correct in that analysis. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #35

Two easy ways. Igel Mar 2022 #9

When the ink on my husband's green card hadn't dried I got a phone call housecat Mar 2022 #18

Immediately upon entering Ukrainian soil, go UA and surrender to the MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #11

Both Russia and Ukraine has laws about forcing soldiers at gun point ... TomWilm Mar 2022 #16

"Both"? Please document the Ukraine war resisters going to jail, have not seen that in Western Press Tommymac Mar 2022 #29

Then you are not paying enough attention to the Western Press ... TomWilm Mar 2022 #36

Don't expect western-style courts and justice COL Mustard Mar 2022 #32

fragging was a solution some in vietnam used...... getagrip_already Mar 2022 #17

That was Rebl2 Mar 2022 #23

I guess Mr. Putin has made a "mistake in his invasion." He was ..."so sure he would win." Stuart G Mar 2022 #4

i realllly Hope that's true . Not so sure mucifer Mar 2022 #5

Likewise zipplewrath Mar 2022 #20

Yeah, I had the exact same reaction. Bleacher Creature Mar 2022 #26

This has been true..... SergeStorms Mar 2022 #6

This "special military operation's" rhetoric has a shelf-life. Igel Mar 2022 #13

Folks don't want to be run through a meat grinder Achilles Skye Mar 2022 #21

this left-of-center2012 Mar 2022 #27

"According to a Ukrainian diplomat ..." left-of-center2012 Mar 2022 #28

My understanding of WW2 history was that Ilsa Mar 2022 #30

What if they gave a war and no one came? Aussie105 Mar 2022 #33

Didn't Russian soldiers say no to the war in 1917? 70sEraVet Mar 2022 #34