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Bucky

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66. Right, but the basic fairness of trans athletes competing in women's sports is the controversy
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 06:09 AM
Mar 2022

Viscerally, it's easy to understand how this would bother people. In the abstract, the imagination renders a personal contest between a bulky stereotype versus a typical hard-working female athlete. It feels, in general, like the old Andy Kaufman routine about intergender wrestling. The joke was in him putting our own gender prejudices right up in our faces.

That's why we have to look at the numbers to get the truth. As John Dickinson said at the Philadelphia Convention of 1787, "We must rely on history. Reason will mislead us." We must look at the statistics, because our imaginations will tell us the wrong story. The vast majority of transgender athletes never excel in their field. This is about in proportion to vast majority of born-female athletes never taking a championship. A champion is a rarity and well worth celebrating. Across the thousands of athletic victories in women's sports every year, five or six will belong to someone who, painfully, discovered in their own life that they had a female soul and desire to have a female body to put her own lives in balance. From this point each of them began a slow and heroic path through this world.

The cynical take we hear the most--that trans athletes will overwhelm the field of women's sports, that a bunch of second rate male athletes will simply get their wangs chopped off just to pick up a trophier scholarship--is cruel, harmful, and out of touch with the complex human realities that form the story of each individual who goes through this complex journey.

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There is no category for transgender athletes. LisaL Mar 2022 #8
Oh look...a cudgel to beat over the heads of Democrats BGBD Mar 2022 #2
+10000000000000000 Celerity Mar 2022 #53
Martina Navratilova spoke about this. BlackSkimmer Mar 2022 #3
About Lia Thomas specifically? Dr. Strange Mar 2022 #4
Yep. LisaL Mar 2022 #11
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Has that ever happened? LisaL Mar 2022 #12
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bowling is a strength sport... strength is related to weight of ball, how fast it can be thrown Demovictory9 Mar 2022 #37
Agreed FoxNewsSucks Mar 2022 #14
Doesn't help our cause vercetti2021 Mar 2022 #6
It's not our job to hide in a corner... IngridsLittleAngel Mar 2022 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author USALiberal Mar 2022 #7
Nor is bigotry IngridsLittleAngel Mar 2022 #10
In a world canetoad Mar 2022 #19
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When every NCAA swimming podium is filled with XY chromosomes Zeitghost Mar 2022 #13
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This! North Shore Chicago Mar 2022 #30
Lia Thomas is a woman. Oneironaut Mar 2022 #69
Congratulations AZProgressive Mar 2022 #15
Good for her! ismnotwasm Mar 2022 #17
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So we don't matter vercetti2021 Mar 2022 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author leftstreet Mar 2022 #24
If transgender athletes actually had a physical advantage this would be the norm alphafemale Mar 2022 #25
Truthfully, some people don't care whether she wins or loses. IngridsLittleAngel Mar 2022 #26
There was a trans weight lifter in the Olympics this past year alphafemale Mar 2022 #27
As far as I know IngridsLittleAngel Mar 2022 #28
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x 1000 North Shore Chicago Mar 2022 #31
You know what's sickening - besides transphobia? IngridsLittleAngel Mar 2022 #35
What about this post? IngridsLittleAngel Mar 2022 #33
Wedge issue to break our commitment to civil rights. Don't fall for this phobic shit. (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #32
Fall for it? IngridsLittleAngel Mar 2022 #34
The ones pulling that Nazi wedge issue shit aren't actual Democrats. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #36
Yeah. I've already figured that out IngridsLittleAngel Mar 2022 #39
It's amazingly revealing that the RNC is among the biggest events for trans sex workers. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #43
They hate them because they hate everyone who isn't like them IngridsLittleAngel Mar 2022 #45
"I didn't get to wear women's shoes and not get beaten up, you can't either!" FreepFryer Mar 2022 #46
Well, times have changed... IngridsLittleAngel Mar 2022 #47
That's what triggers them most... they didn't get to do it. Transphobia is deeply selfish. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #48
Any form of bigotry is selfish IngridsLittleAngel Mar 2022 #50
Yep, Because they had those gender feelings too, and felt the repression, and they pay it fwd. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #51
EarlG needs to reinforce what he prohibted in that trans rights OP of his obamanut2012 Mar 2022 #52
I actually freaked out the moment I heard the news IngridsLittleAngel Mar 2022 #54
Perhaps we can PM EarlG and asked for it to be pinned, at least obamanut2012 Mar 2022 #59
This. Need support from those whose support is targeted by this phobia campaign. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #55
It makes me so angry and upset obamanut2012 Mar 2022 #58
Use it :) we were made for these times. These tactics are laughably weak, and justice will prevail. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #61
Trans lives do matter in DU Demovictory9 Mar 2022 #38
I have my doubts.. IngridsLittleAngel Mar 2022 #42
Yup obamanut2012 Mar 2022 #49
it's complicated. women can't compete, physically, against someone who went thru puberty as a male Demovictory9 Mar 2022 #64
I know what the answer isn't IngridsLittleAngel Mar 2022 #65
true. Demovictory9 Mar 2022 #68
Do we really? vercetti2021 Mar 2022 #70
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You're entitled to your opinion. As are we all. Have a great day! (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #41
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When we discuss transgender athletes in the abstract, people get upset Bucky Mar 2022 #56
The issue isn't sports IngridsLittleAngel Mar 2022 #63
Right, but the basic fairness of trans athletes competing in women's sports is the controversy Bucky Mar 2022 #66
We can't have a good faith discussion anymore about how unfair this is. Conservatives ruined it Oneironaut Mar 2022 #67
Yup, GOP tactic. Not fairness, or qualification, or respect. Like Ken Paxton attacking Dr. Levine. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #71
Good for her. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2022 #72
To the handful of DUers who still haven't figured this out yet EarlG Mar 2022 #73
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