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36. Minimal effect? Tell that to the civilians left in Mariupol...

Tue Mar 22, 2022, 05:39 PM

Mar 2022

Russian strikes turning Mariupol into 'ashes' as West plans more sanctions

LVIV/KYIV, Ukraine, March 22 (Reuters) - Intense Russian air strikes are turning besieged Mariupol into the "ashes of a dead land", the city council said on Tuesday, as the United States and Europe planned more sanctions to punish Moscow for its invasion of Ukraine.

https://www.reuters.com/world/russian-air-strikes-wreak-havoc-mariupol-turning-ukrainian-city-ashes-2022-03-22/

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Do you support NATO enforcing a no fly zone in Ukraine? [View all] ColinC Mar 2022 OP

If Pootin uses nukes yes. doc03 Mar 2022 #1

What? ruet Mar 2022 #4

I agree if he uses nukes NATO will destroy what is left doc03 Mar 2022 #8

It is not ridiculous ColinC Mar 2022 #16

I agree with you. roamer65 Mar 2022 #9

Tactical nuclear weapons are legal if used against the military. marie999 Mar 2022 #41

They are not going to stop until stopped by force. denbot Mar 2022 #2

Agreed. ColinC Mar 2022 #3

Another agreement here. hamsterjill Mar 2022 #23

Whatever NATO decides, I support. LuvLoogie Mar 2022 #5

Excellent summation! We need to fully support NATO and President Biden in their positions to PortTack Mar 2022 #10

And what about having to bomb targets within Russia? intrepidity Mar 2022 #6

They are launching thermobaric warheads from Russia denbot Mar 2022 #47

Call it what it is, a combat air patrol that shoots other planes out of the sky. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2022 #7

They will not shoot down other planes in the sky if there are no planes to shoot ColinC Mar 2022 #11

Most Russian planes are NOT getting shot down Chuuku Davis Mar 2022 #54

They need anything that could shoot down jets, absolutely. ColinC Mar 2022 #55

Russians are using their aircraft to commit war crimes. nt. BlueIdaho Mar 2022 #12

Yep ColinC Mar 2022 #13

ooh, can we do a poll about a first-strike nuke attack next? anarch Mar 2022 #14

Assuming the presence of NATO jets in Ukrainian airspace would start ww3 ColinC Mar 2022 #15

in a sense I think you could say WWIII started twenty years ago anarch Mar 2022 #19

I think that all the things we have done should have been done in 2014 and werent ColinC Mar 2022 #20

NATO Partner NATO Ally. We don't share a mutual defense treaty with them. nt Gore1FL Mar 2022 #24

Why ask the intermediate question? sarisataka Mar 2022 #17

That is not the same. If we put planes in Ukraine and Russia refuses to leave ColinC Mar 2022 #18

Plenty? sarisataka Mar 2022 #28

"Officially" is a very important word. ColinC Mar 2022 #29

Quite possible if not even likely sarisataka Mar 2022 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author ColinC Mar 2022 #40

Probably ColinC Mar 2022 #42

Perhaps not now Bettie Mar 2022 #21

When it is necessary, I imagine it will likely be too late. ColinC Mar 2022 #22

That's my fear Bettie Mar 2022 #26

Exactly. ColinC Mar 2022 #34

WW3 Willto Mar 2022 #25

No, wont stop shelling or cruise missiles that is doing most of the damage uponit7771 Mar 2022 #27

I think it would allow the Ukraine defenses to focus on shelling and cruise missiles if they ColinC Mar 2022 #31

VERY Few "dog fights" happen today most downed jets by AA missiles or ballistics. UA doesn't have uponit7771 Mar 2022 #38

While I support a no fly zone, I understand it is not going to happen. Neither are migs. ColinC Mar 2022 #39

Migs can happen but slow, the AA ... Can happen now. Prolly is already uponit7771 Mar 2022 #50

The AA is just starting to look like the mig situation to me ColinC Mar 2022 #51

Hope not, they can change the whole matter with long range AA. Word is up north uponit7771 Mar 2022 #52

I would certainly hope that Congress would vote on it before any US involvement. David__77 Mar 2022 #30

I agree on the vote, but differ on what i would hope it would be. ColinC Mar 2022 #33

Bad idea and not necessary. Downtown Hound Mar 2022 #32

Minimal effect? Tell that to the civilians left in Mariupol... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #36

So, would you rather start a nuclear war? Downtown Hound Mar 2022 #43

I was merely trying to point out that the effect of air strikes has been catastrophic, not minimal.. AntiFascist Mar 2022 #45

Most of that is being done by artillery and missiles Downtown Hound Mar 2022 #48

We are already providing AA defenses to shoot down Russian planes.... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #49

Starting a nuclear war does not mean entering territory of an ally in order to protect it from ColinC Mar 2022 #44

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No because Pootin says he'll use nukes. 48656c6c6f20 Mar 2022 #37

Unfortunately poignant. ColinC Mar 2022 #53