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ColinC

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42. Probably

Tue Mar 22, 2022, 06:37 PM

Mar 2022

I just don't think that Jets entering Ukraine necessitates they will shoot down a Russian airplane since that is still dependent on Russia's choice to stay even with NATO forces in the territory.

But I am also incredibly doubtful direct conflict with NATO is avoidable by any measure, and the sooner that conflict is threatened or occurs, the better things will likely be. Russia only will respond to force, and to assume that they will not continue to escalate the situation is at best naive, and at worst negligently homicidal.

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Do you support NATO enforcing a no fly zone in Ukraine? [View all] ColinC Mar 2022 OP

If Pootin uses nukes yes. doc03 Mar 2022 #1

What? ruet Mar 2022 #4

I agree if he uses nukes NATO will destroy what is left doc03 Mar 2022 #8

It is not ridiculous ColinC Mar 2022 #16

I agree with you. roamer65 Mar 2022 #9

Tactical nuclear weapons are legal if used against the military. marie999 Mar 2022 #41

They are not going to stop until stopped by force. denbot Mar 2022 #2

Agreed. ColinC Mar 2022 #3

Another agreement here. hamsterjill Mar 2022 #23

Whatever NATO decides, I support. LuvLoogie Mar 2022 #5

Excellent summation! We need to fully support NATO and President Biden in their positions to PortTack Mar 2022 #10

And what about having to bomb targets within Russia? intrepidity Mar 2022 #6

They are launching thermobaric warheads from Russia denbot Mar 2022 #47

Call it what it is, a combat air patrol that shoots other planes out of the sky. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2022 #7

They will not shoot down other planes in the sky if there are no planes to shoot ColinC Mar 2022 #11

Most Russian planes are NOT getting shot down Chuuku Davis Mar 2022 #54

They need anything that could shoot down jets, absolutely. ColinC Mar 2022 #55

Russians are using their aircraft to commit war crimes. nt. BlueIdaho Mar 2022 #12

Yep ColinC Mar 2022 #13

ooh, can we do a poll about a first-strike nuke attack next? anarch Mar 2022 #14

Assuming the presence of NATO jets in Ukrainian airspace would start ww3 ColinC Mar 2022 #15

in a sense I think you could say WWIII started twenty years ago anarch Mar 2022 #19

I think that all the things we have done should have been done in 2014 and werent ColinC Mar 2022 #20

NATO Partner NATO Ally. We don't share a mutual defense treaty with them. nt Gore1FL Mar 2022 #24

Why ask the intermediate question? sarisataka Mar 2022 #17

That is not the same. If we put planes in Ukraine and Russia refuses to leave ColinC Mar 2022 #18

Plenty? sarisataka Mar 2022 #28

"Officially" is a very important word. ColinC Mar 2022 #29

Quite possible if not even likely sarisataka Mar 2022 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author ColinC Mar 2022 #40

Probably ColinC Mar 2022 #42

Perhaps not now Bettie Mar 2022 #21

When it is necessary, I imagine it will likely be too late. ColinC Mar 2022 #22

That's my fear Bettie Mar 2022 #26

Exactly. ColinC Mar 2022 #34

WW3 Willto Mar 2022 #25

No, wont stop shelling or cruise missiles that is doing most of the damage uponit7771 Mar 2022 #27

I think it would allow the Ukraine defenses to focus on shelling and cruise missiles if they ColinC Mar 2022 #31

VERY Few "dog fights" happen today most downed jets by AA missiles or ballistics. UA doesn't have uponit7771 Mar 2022 #38

While I support a no fly zone, I understand it is not going to happen. Neither are migs. ColinC Mar 2022 #39

Migs can happen but slow, the AA ... Can happen now. Prolly is already uponit7771 Mar 2022 #50

The AA is just starting to look like the mig situation to me ColinC Mar 2022 #51

Hope not, they can change the whole matter with long range AA. Word is up north uponit7771 Mar 2022 #52

I would certainly hope that Congress would vote on it before any US involvement. David__77 Mar 2022 #30

I agree on the vote, but differ on what i would hope it would be. ColinC Mar 2022 #33

Bad idea and not necessary. Downtown Hound Mar 2022 #32

Minimal effect? Tell that to the civilians left in Mariupol... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #36

So, would you rather start a nuclear war? Downtown Hound Mar 2022 #43

I was merely trying to point out that the effect of air strikes has been catastrophic, not minimal.. AntiFascist Mar 2022 #45

Most of that is being done by artillery and missiles Downtown Hound Mar 2022 #48

We are already providing AA defenses to shoot down Russian planes.... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #49

Starting a nuclear war does not mean entering territory of an ally in order to protect it from ColinC Mar 2022 #44

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No because Pootin says he'll use nukes. 48656c6c6f20 Mar 2022 #37

Unfortunately poignant. ColinC Mar 2022 #53