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I find myself becoming increasingly hawkish with respect to Ukraine [View all] Stinky The Clown Mar 2022 OP

The NATO charter specifically says Ukraine can't join "right now." SoonerPride Mar 2022 #1

Like I said in the OP - chickenshit. Stinky The Clown Mar 2022 #2

Also NATO membership has to be universal and approved by every member country. SoonerPride Mar 2022 #3

I would like to have someone inside NATO lobbying for their inclusion now. Stinky The Clown Mar 2022 #9

"There are lot of issues with granting Ukraine NATO membership. As outlined here:" LiberalLovinLug Mar 2022 #72

The four reasons outlined by NYT SoonerPride Mar 2022 #78

Thanks for the posting LiberalLovinLug Mar 2022 #92

Grab your helmet and rifle... suit up, PFC Stinky. WarGamer Mar 2022 #73

Thanks for contributing nothing to this thread. Stinky The Clown Mar 2022 #77

My "thoughtful" response is below. WarGamer Mar 2022 #79

Weird,... ruet Mar 2022 #54

The opposing army wasn't Russia. SoonerPride Mar 2022 #55

Not Germane to the Points That You Brought Up. ruet Mar 2022 #61

Yes. It is called a NATO vote. SoonerPride Mar 2022 #63

I am right there with you. world wide wally Mar 2022 #4

lol, actually said by Admiral David Farragut at the Battle of Mobile Bay .. EX500rider Mar 2022 #69

It's never good to change the dynamics when things are going in your favor. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #5

I honestly understand what you said and why. Stinky The Clown Mar 2022 #7

I submit that escalation will lead to more Ukrainians losing their family and friends. nt Gore1FL Mar 2022 #19

I agree with you that is the most likely outcome. Mariana Mar 2022 #58

THIS is why I agree with you completely. dchill Mar 2022 #56

"when things are going in your favor" Whose favor? The US's or Ukraines? bluewater Mar 2022 #11

The West's favor in general, but Ukraine's too. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #17

"Upping the number of weapons being used on their soil isn't going to help anyone." bluewater Mar 2022 #26

We aren't talking about giving the Ukrainians more weapons. We are talking about NATO escalation. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #27

"President Zelensky is more than welcome to take an opposing position to me." bluewater Mar 2022 #29

Glad you see how silly your remark was. nt Gore1FL Mar 2022 #31

"President Zelensky is more than welcome to take an opposing position to me." You said THAT bluewater Mar 2022 #34

No, I am not joking. We are literally able to have different opinions. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #36

"No, I am not joking" Well, it sure sounded like a joke... bluewater Mar 2022 #40

I really shouldn't have to explain obvious things to you. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #42

Ad Hominem attack duly noted. bluewater Mar 2022 #43

The Russians are grinding themselves into the ground while destroying the people of Ukraine Calculating Mar 2022 #57

Doing more could very well have the effect of increasing the rubble and giving Putin a PR victory. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #59

👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 onecaliberal Mar 2022 #70

Every "ceasefire agreement" from pootin demands 2 things. I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2022 #6

I agree in spirit but jcgoldie Mar 2022 #8

Thanks! That is absolutely a valid and compelling argument. Stinky The Clown Mar 2022 #10

This is the most valid argument against direct involvement MoonlitKnight Mar 2022 #47

If NATO sends in troops, I believe that Putin will use tactical nuclear weapons which are legal. marie999 Mar 2022 #12

I actually do NOT think the nukes will come out. Stinky The Clown Mar 2022 #46

Agree MoonlitKnight Mar 2022 #49

My rationale for us getting involved is this: Putin will not stop unless US and NATO make him stop Hekate Mar 2022 #13

I don't see as proving Ukraine with weapons, supplies, intelligence, etc. as appeasing Putin. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #21

Putin took Crimea without consequence. Now he demands that NATO not admit Ukraine... Hekate Mar 2022 #38

Well said. bluewater Mar 2022 #44

It's not our ForgedCrank Mar 2022 #14

When they came for me there was nobody left to fight them Calculating Mar 2022 #66

I don't think we ForgedCrank Mar 2022 #68

You better hope no one ever comes for yours, and if they do onecaliberal Mar 2022 #75

If "they" ForgedCrank Mar 2022 #81

So you're ok with genocide as long as it's not here? Calculating Mar 2022 #91

Why aren't we doing more in Syria by attacking the Russian there? marie999 Mar 2022 #97

Did you ForgedCrank Mar 2022 #100

My kid is already protecting YOU and our country in a foreign land. Thanks. onecaliberal Mar 2022 #93

Do you have a corner ForgedCrank Mar 2022 #101

So you would have let Hitler take over Europe Calculating Mar 2022 #103

YES THEY WOULD. onecaliberal Mar 2022 #105

Uh huh.. enjoy the dust bin. onecaliberal Mar 2022 #104

What is it ForgedCrank Mar 2022 #107

Understand your logic but history teaches us differently dwayneb Mar 2022 #127

It's amusing to me ForgedCrank Mar 2022 #99

It's a favorite pastime here. Wednesdays Mar 2022 #106

'-Make Ukraine a NATO member, right now.' Volaris Mar 2022 #15

Ukraine will not become a NATO country because there are NATO countries that won't vote them in. marie999 Mar 2022 #96

So risk nuclear war because you don't "think" that Vlad will do it? Polybius Mar 2022 #16

So, if he attacks a NATO nation... Bettie Mar 2022 #23

Precisely Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #35

The OP didn't say that Polybius Mar 2022 #110

What is stopping Vlad from doing anything if he has nukes is also the question WA-03 Democrat Mar 2022 #30

The line will be a NATO member, or us Polybius Mar 2022 #111

So, let Vlad take over any country he wants because you *think* he *might* use nukes? Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #37

Yes Polybius Mar 2022 #112

A piece of paper with "Article Five" written on it will not restore NATO's courage Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #122

Just give him the win then Calculating Mar 2022 #82

We should have taken them out in 1949 when they tested their first nuke Polybius Mar 2022 #113

Also, Putin just showed everyone that he has hyper sonic weapons womanofthehills Mar 2022 #118

Fleeting thoughts don't count. taxi Mar 2022 #18

Agree. sinkingfeeling Mar 2022 #20

I feel the same way Bettie Mar 2022 #22

There was no such thing as nuclear weapons prior to WWII BradAllison Mar 2022 #24

Vladimir the Hun seems unpredictable. moondust Mar 2022 #25

If Kuwait got help WA-03 Democrat Mar 2022 #28

Th UN Security Council authorized the action against Iraq. former9thward Mar 2022 #41

Because the UN thinks the USSR is still a thing WA-03 Democrat Mar 2022 #53

Correct. Russia should not even be on the Security Council. SunSeeker Mar 2022 #67

"Th UN Security Council authorized the action against Iraq." LiberalLovinLug Mar 2022 #87

You are posting about the wrong Iraq war. former9thward Mar 2022 #108

sorry. LiberalLovinLug Mar 2022 #128

Two things Polybius Mar 2022 #114

Quite a bit of DU has become hawkish sarisataka Mar 2022 #32

You bring up some issues few people want to put on the table in this sort of discussion Stinky The Clown Mar 2022 #51

It's disgusting Polybius Mar 2022 #115

I've been saying this for weeks- the current fear of Putin using nukes won't go away Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #33

If he attacks NATO, nothing is off the table. harumph Mar 2022 #48

The West's actions so far show that lots of things are "off the table", even if NATO is attacked. Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #60

I find myself very ethically challenged Ohio Joe Mar 2022 #39

I am SOOOO right there with you Stinky The Clown Mar 2022 #52

"I....do not have the experience or expertise to figure out the least bad move." Roisin Ni Fiachra Mar 2022 #121

I'm noticing more people are speaking out... AngryOldDem Mar 2022 #45

Me too Buckeyeblue Mar 2022 #50

Stinky, the same is happening to me. the nuclear bugaboo is being used to cover crimes against Martin68 Mar 2022 #62

Help Russian soldiers with supplies kiri Mar 2022 #64

Yemen, Gaza, Kurdistan, et al. Justice matters. Mar 2022 #65

This is the correct answer right here... Where were the left-hawks in all the conflicts you listed ? JCMach1 Mar 2022 #109

For 75 years... we've avoided WW3 by NOT doing what you suggest. WarGamer Mar 2022 #71

I agree with you. Lonestarblue Mar 2022 #74

Nato charter ? I'd charter an aircraft carrier Tetrachloride Mar 2022 #76

I hesitate to add my voice... I'm just a nobody. slightlv Mar 2022 #80

Your thinking and mine are quite similar and for similar reasons. Stinky The Clown Mar 2022 #83

Well said. bluewater Mar 2022 #84

I hear you. Joinfortmill Mar 2022 #85

Yep ColinC Mar 2022 #86

NATO is already in the War Roc2020 Mar 2022 #88

Excellent point bluewater Mar 2022 #89

I wish it wasn't Roc2020 Mar 2022 #90

and Putin is already fighting WW3 in his mind LiberalLovinLug Mar 2022 #95

Very well stated insights bluewater Mar 2022 #98

A puppet? Better stay in a bunker in Kiev... Justice matters. Mar 2022 #116

Ukraine is fighting for all democracies. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #94

I agree with your post, except... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #102

It's tiresome seeing all of the keyboard strategists willing to risk the lives of millions. A Clearing Mar 2022 #117

What WOULD be a suitable topic to discuss on a discussion board? Stinky The Clown Mar 2022 #119

I'll kick it again to point out that A Clearing Mar 2022 #123

Dead on this is why we have discussion boards dwayneb Mar 2022 #125

Risk the lives of billions, as in nearly all of the human race n/t Strelnikov_ Mar 2022 #120

We sat back many times and watched it happen dwayneb Mar 2022 #124

Agree nt Raine Mar 2022 #126