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In reply to the discussion: Gingrich on ABC: 'GET OVER IT' Mourdock’s Rape Comments Are What ‘Virtually Every Catholic’ Believes [View all]obamanut2012
(29,376 posts)20. Catholics don't believe in Predestination
And, the whole concept of Original Sin and Hell and Purgatory within Catholicism is complicated, as Catholics do not get "born again." It is very different from Protestant belief in Orinall Sin, especially Calvinists.
The Catholic Church teaches that every human person born on this earth is made in the image of God.[48][49] Within man "is both the powerful surge toward the good because we are made in the image of God, and the darker impulses toward evil because of the effects of Original Sin."[50] Furthermore, it explicitly denies that we inherit guilt from anyone, maintaining that instead we inherit our fallen nature. In this it differs from the Calvinism/Protestant position that each person actually inherits Adam's guilt, and teaches instead that "original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam's descendants ... but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man".[51] "In other words, human beings do not bear any 'original guilt' from Adam and Eve's particular sin."[52]
Also:
The Catechism of the Catholic Church says:
By his sin Adam, as the first man, lost the original holiness and justice he had received from God, not only for himself but for all humans. Adam and Eve transmitted to their descendants human nature wounded by their own first sin and hence deprived of original holiness and justice; this deprivation is called "original sin". As a result of original sin, human nature is weakened in its powers, subject to ignorance, suffering and the domination of death, and inclined to sin (this inclination is called "concupiscence"
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By his sin Adam, as the first man, lost the original holiness and justice he had received from God, not only for himself but for all humans. Adam and Eve transmitted to their descendants human nature wounded by their own first sin and hence deprived of original holiness and justice; this deprivation is called "original sin". As a result of original sin, human nature is weakened in its powers, subject to ignorance, suffering and the domination of death, and inclined to sin (this inclination is called "concupiscence"
I am no longer a believer, but Catholics do NOT believe someone is born with a predetermined spiritual state or path, just that humans have a weakness, a darkness, in our nature that wants us to take the "easy way" out and sin, instead of living a moral and ethical life.
Predestination is, basically:
Predestination, in theology, is the doctrine that all events have been willed by God. John Calvin interpreted biblical predestination to mean that God willed eternal damnation for some people and salvation for others.[1] Explanations of predestination often seek to address the so-called "paradox of free will," whereby God's omniscience seems incompatible with human free will.
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Gingrich on ABC: 'GET OVER IT' Mourdock’s Rape Comments Are What ‘Virtually Every Catholic’ Believes [View all]
trailmonkee
Oct 2012
OP
Scratch the surface of Martin Luther's theology and you'll also find a strong
coalition_unwilling
Oct 2012
#23
It is a Catholic belief. You believe everyone is born with Original Sin, right?
msanthrope
Oct 2012
#13
Is Original Sin predestined on everyone? Then guess what? Predestination is a tenet of Roman
msanthrope
Oct 2012
#26
"Born with a fallen human nature and tainted by original sin." Your church doesn't agree with you.
msanthrope
Oct 2012
#35
The Church does not teach that children born without Baptism go to hell. That is absolutely wrong.
pnwmom
Oct 2012
#36
Yes, it does. Since the Council of Carthage XVI in 418. St. Augustine wrote the Canon.
msanthrope
Oct 2012
#37
I never said that baptism isn't important for Christians. But that isn't because babies
pnwmom
Oct 2012
#53
Baptism remains de fide to Catholics. And an magazine article doesn't override
msanthrope
Oct 2012
#55
A magazine article doesn't override revolting infallible dogma on Baptism. Maybe Benedict will
msanthrope
Oct 2012
#58
Jesus never used the word "Pope" in any language. And designating Peter as the "rock" of his Church
pnwmom
Oct 2012
#72
Post 38--you quote "Pastor Aeternus" extensively. It even says "Pastor Aeternus."
msanthrope
Oct 2012
#78
Um no---Pastor Aeternus grants the pope the same power as the councils, expanding the Magisterium.
msanthrope
Oct 2012
#81
Using the 'no true Scotsman' on Augustine? The guy who defined "Original Sin" for Christianity?
msanthrope
Oct 2012
#43
What? You read the action of that verb incorrectly, m'dear. You might wanna read the whole
msanthrope
Oct 2012
#50
Actually, depending on the survey, less than a quarter agree with the church's position and about
Brickbat
Oct 2012
#5
And it is not even the hierarchy's position that God meant the pregnancy to happen
pnwmom
Oct 2012
#9
The great Newt, always honest except when he speaks, believe him, his first two wives would say no.
Thinkingabout
Oct 2012
#18
I'm Catholic, I don't believe rape is God's will, or "just another method
TwilightGardener
Oct 2012
#30
Which is exactly why I want these "pro life" Neanderthals nowhere near our government.
Initech
Oct 2012
#31
That very well may be so, it may be what Catholics believe or want to believe.
liberalhistorian
Oct 2012
#44