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dwayneb

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127. Understand your logic but history teaches us differently

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:27 AM

Mar 2022

We tried to stay out of "foreign wars" when Hitler in WW2 began to expand the Third Reich. By the time we finally realized that this despot was indeed "coming for ours" it was almost too late.

I think Putin is more dangerous that Hitler ever was. He is willing and ready to use weapons of mass destruction and he will not hesitate to attack a region like the Baltics in order to rebuild the glory of the former Soviet Union.

We should also never forget that Putin is attacking us today - right in our homes. Through the ongoing propaganda machine designed to destroy the USA from within - and if that succeeds, he may be able to take us down without firing a shot.

Yes it is a painful price to pay to send our troops into war in Europe but at the end of the day, delay and hesitation may cost us dearly.

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I find myself becoming increasingly hawkish with respect to Ukraine [View all] Stinky The Clown Mar 2022 OP

The NATO charter specifically says Ukraine can't join "right now." SoonerPride Mar 2022 #1

Like I said in the OP - chickenshit. Stinky The Clown Mar 2022 #2

Also NATO membership has to be universal and approved by every member country. SoonerPride Mar 2022 #3

I would like to have someone inside NATO lobbying for their inclusion now. Stinky The Clown Mar 2022 #9

"There are lot of issues with granting Ukraine NATO membership. As outlined here:" LiberalLovinLug Mar 2022 #72

The four reasons outlined by NYT SoonerPride Mar 2022 #78

Thanks for the posting LiberalLovinLug Mar 2022 #92

Grab your helmet and rifle... suit up, PFC Stinky. WarGamer Mar 2022 #73

Thanks for contributing nothing to this thread. Stinky The Clown Mar 2022 #77

My "thoughtful" response is below. WarGamer Mar 2022 #79

Weird,... ruet Mar 2022 #54

The opposing army wasn't Russia. SoonerPride Mar 2022 #55

Not Germane to the Points That You Brought Up. ruet Mar 2022 #61

Yes. It is called a NATO vote. SoonerPride Mar 2022 #63

I am right there with you. world wide wally Mar 2022 #4

lol, actually said by Admiral David Farragut at the Battle of Mobile Bay .. EX500rider Mar 2022 #69

It's never good to change the dynamics when things are going in your favor. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #5

I honestly understand what you said and why. Stinky The Clown Mar 2022 #7

I submit that escalation will lead to more Ukrainians losing their family and friends. nt Gore1FL Mar 2022 #19

I agree with you that is the most likely outcome. Mariana Mar 2022 #58

THIS is why I agree with you completely. dchill Mar 2022 #56

"when things are going in your favor" Whose favor? The US's or Ukraines? bluewater Mar 2022 #11

The West's favor in general, but Ukraine's too. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #17

"Upping the number of weapons being used on their soil isn't going to help anyone." bluewater Mar 2022 #26

We aren't talking about giving the Ukrainians more weapons. We are talking about NATO escalation. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #27

"President Zelensky is more than welcome to take an opposing position to me." bluewater Mar 2022 #29

Glad you see how silly your remark was. nt Gore1FL Mar 2022 #31

"President Zelensky is more than welcome to take an opposing position to me." You said THAT bluewater Mar 2022 #34

No, I am not joking. We are literally able to have different opinions. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #36

"No, I am not joking" Well, it sure sounded like a joke... bluewater Mar 2022 #40

I really shouldn't have to explain obvious things to you. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #42

Ad Hominem attack duly noted. bluewater Mar 2022 #43

The Russians are grinding themselves into the ground while destroying the people of Ukraine Calculating Mar 2022 #57

Doing more could very well have the effect of increasing the rubble and giving Putin a PR victory. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #59

👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 onecaliberal Mar 2022 #70

Every "ceasefire agreement" from pootin demands 2 things. I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2022 #6

I agree in spirit but jcgoldie Mar 2022 #8

Thanks! That is absolutely a valid and compelling argument. Stinky The Clown Mar 2022 #10

This is the most valid argument against direct involvement MoonlitKnight Mar 2022 #47

If NATO sends in troops, I believe that Putin will use tactical nuclear weapons which are legal. marie999 Mar 2022 #12

I actually do NOT think the nukes will come out. Stinky The Clown Mar 2022 #46

Agree MoonlitKnight Mar 2022 #49

My rationale for us getting involved is this: Putin will not stop unless US and NATO make him stop Hekate Mar 2022 #13

I don't see as proving Ukraine with weapons, supplies, intelligence, etc. as appeasing Putin. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #21

Putin took Crimea without consequence. Now he demands that NATO not admit Ukraine... Hekate Mar 2022 #38

Well said. bluewater Mar 2022 #44

It's not our ForgedCrank Mar 2022 #14

When they came for me there was nobody left to fight them Calculating Mar 2022 #66

I don't think we ForgedCrank Mar 2022 #68

You better hope no one ever comes for yours, and if they do onecaliberal Mar 2022 #75

If "they" ForgedCrank Mar 2022 #81

So you're ok with genocide as long as it's not here? Calculating Mar 2022 #91

Why aren't we doing more in Syria by attacking the Russian there? marie999 Mar 2022 #97

Did you ForgedCrank Mar 2022 #100

My kid is already protecting YOU and our country in a foreign land. Thanks. onecaliberal Mar 2022 #93

Do you have a corner ForgedCrank Mar 2022 #101

So you would have let Hitler take over Europe Calculating Mar 2022 #103

YES THEY WOULD. onecaliberal Mar 2022 #105

Uh huh.. enjoy the dust bin. onecaliberal Mar 2022 #104

What is it ForgedCrank Mar 2022 #107

Understand your logic but history teaches us differently dwayneb Mar 2022 #127

It's amusing to me ForgedCrank Mar 2022 #99

It's a favorite pastime here. Wednesdays Mar 2022 #106

'-Make Ukraine a NATO member, right now.' Volaris Mar 2022 #15

Ukraine will not become a NATO country because there are NATO countries that won't vote them in. marie999 Mar 2022 #96

So risk nuclear war because you don't "think" that Vlad will do it? Polybius Mar 2022 #16

So, if he attacks a NATO nation... Bettie Mar 2022 #23

Precisely Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #35

The OP didn't say that Polybius Mar 2022 #110

What is stopping Vlad from doing anything if he has nukes is also the question WA-03 Democrat Mar 2022 #30

The line will be a NATO member, or us Polybius Mar 2022 #111

So, let Vlad take over any country he wants because you *think* he *might* use nukes? Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #37

Yes Polybius Mar 2022 #112

A piece of paper with "Article Five" written on it will not restore NATO's courage Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #122

Just give him the win then Calculating Mar 2022 #82

We should have taken them out in 1949 when they tested their first nuke Polybius Mar 2022 #113

Also, Putin just showed everyone that he has hyper sonic weapons womanofthehills Mar 2022 #118

Fleeting thoughts don't count. taxi Mar 2022 #18

Agree. sinkingfeeling Mar 2022 #20

I feel the same way Bettie Mar 2022 #22

There was no such thing as nuclear weapons prior to WWII BradAllison Mar 2022 #24

Vladimir the Hun seems unpredictable. moondust Mar 2022 #25

If Kuwait got help WA-03 Democrat Mar 2022 #28

Th UN Security Council authorized the action against Iraq. former9thward Mar 2022 #41

Because the UN thinks the USSR is still a thing WA-03 Democrat Mar 2022 #53

Correct. Russia should not even be on the Security Council. SunSeeker Mar 2022 #67

"Th UN Security Council authorized the action against Iraq." LiberalLovinLug Mar 2022 #87

You are posting about the wrong Iraq war. former9thward Mar 2022 #108

sorry. LiberalLovinLug Mar 2022 #128

Two things Polybius Mar 2022 #114

Quite a bit of DU has become hawkish sarisataka Mar 2022 #32

You bring up some issues few people want to put on the table in this sort of discussion Stinky The Clown Mar 2022 #51

It's disgusting Polybius Mar 2022 #115

I've been saying this for weeks- the current fear of Putin using nukes won't go away Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #33

If he attacks NATO, nothing is off the table. harumph Mar 2022 #48

The West's actions so far show that lots of things are "off the table", even if NATO is attacked. Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #60

I find myself very ethically challenged Ohio Joe Mar 2022 #39

I am SOOOO right there with you Stinky The Clown Mar 2022 #52

"I....do not have the experience or expertise to figure out the least bad move." Roisin Ni Fiachra Mar 2022 #121

I'm noticing more people are speaking out... AngryOldDem Mar 2022 #45

Me too Buckeyeblue Mar 2022 #50

Stinky, the same is happening to me. the nuclear bugaboo is being used to cover crimes against Martin68 Mar 2022 #62

Help Russian soldiers with supplies kiri Mar 2022 #64

Yemen, Gaza, Kurdistan, et al. Justice matters. Mar 2022 #65

This is the correct answer right here... Where were the left-hawks in all the conflicts you listed ? JCMach1 Mar 2022 #109

For 75 years... we've avoided WW3 by NOT doing what you suggest. WarGamer Mar 2022 #71

I agree with you. Lonestarblue Mar 2022 #74

Nato charter ? I'd charter an aircraft carrier Tetrachloride Mar 2022 #76

I hesitate to add my voice... I'm just a nobody. slightlv Mar 2022 #80

Your thinking and mine are quite similar and for similar reasons. Stinky The Clown Mar 2022 #83

Well said. bluewater Mar 2022 #84

I hear you. Joinfortmill Mar 2022 #85

Yep ColinC Mar 2022 #86

NATO is already in the War Roc2020 Mar 2022 #88

Excellent point bluewater Mar 2022 #89

I wish it wasn't Roc2020 Mar 2022 #90

and Putin is already fighting WW3 in his mind LiberalLovinLug Mar 2022 #95

Very well stated insights bluewater Mar 2022 #98

A puppet? Better stay in a bunker in Kiev... Justice matters. Mar 2022 #116

Ukraine is fighting for all democracies. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #94

I agree with your post, except... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #102

It's tiresome seeing all of the keyboard strategists willing to risk the lives of millions. A Clearing Mar 2022 #117

What WOULD be a suitable topic to discuss on a discussion board? Stinky The Clown Mar 2022 #119

I'll kick it again to point out that A Clearing Mar 2022 #123

Dead on this is why we have discussion boards dwayneb Mar 2022 #125

Risk the lives of billions, as in nearly all of the human race n/t Strelnikov_ Mar 2022 #120

We sat back many times and watched it happen dwayneb Mar 2022 #124

Agree nt Raine Mar 2022 #126