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(3,484 posts) Sat Mar 26, 2022, 05:40 AM Mar 2022

Heard some disturbing things on Hartman's program this week [View all]

and on DU for awhile now and amongst like minded folks I know. Thom did a rant about getting physically involved in the Democratic party using Bannon pushing this on the other side. Not the first time he's ranted about this. Agree with him totally. He immediately started taking calls from those who have had it with the inner workings of the DNC top to bottom. I agree with him, if you don't like it fix it. I agree with them, there's a ton of house cleaning to be done across the board.

But right now, at this moment, and I wish Thom would've spoke more about it, the Democratic party needs to be unified. All of us. We can't be infighting with what's at stake in less than 8 months.

If we can't at least retain what we have in Nov its over folks. i heard people on his show saying they wouldn't vote because the party is corrupt. Have seen it here. Guess what, we lose in Nov you won't have a party to worry about and you will never again have a vote period.

Screw 2024, right now we need to win 2022 period. Then we can talk about party reform. If we lose in Nov, truly we are screwed from that point on. I honestly believe that

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Post removed Post removed Mar 2022 #1

Yup. Thank you! Beakybird Mar 2022 #2

Will Rogers said it best: Conjuay Mar 2022 #200

That joke hit its sell-by date 70 years ago. If we can't unify NOW in 2022, the party is over... Hekate Mar 2022 #217

You have an obsession about this fact that is older than 5 years old Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #4

Bernardo please stop the personal attacks on me. I'm entitled to my opinion. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #7

Your opinions are way off base, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #13

+1 n/t ChazII Mar 2022 #72

Thank you so much. Seems as if someone here has a personal axe to grind Ferrets are Cool Mar 2022 #106

personally, I think his refusal WhiteTara Mar 2022 #165

You have a right to your minority opinion. live love laugh Mar 2022 #188

Your opinion that he is a spy is unfounded Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #17

I asked you to stop making (Nasty) personal attacks. And I never called him a "spy" (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #18

You implied it and put your toe over the line with "relationship with Russian military" Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #22

I've pointed to facts. You've just pointed at me and been nasty. (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #25

5 years ago we knew what Russia and RT were doing to undermine our election and nation. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #21

Again you go with the spy accusation, calling him an "agent" with no evidence. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #24

His show was on Russia Today, a branch of Russian Military Intelligence. Now banned in the USA. nt FreepFryer Mar 2022 #28

+1 eShirl Mar 2022 #30

Still no evidence & certainly not current. Books? He wrote 30. Podcasts? Hundreds. You have nothing. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #36

Hartmann has never been banned in the USA. Your title smears. It's all you have, a smear Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #37

Welcome by some. Not by others. We'll see. (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #38

That's right.. Not everyone thinks Cha Mar 2022 #202

... sheshe2 Mar 2022 #234

There's nothing personal in the response to you. live love laugh Mar 2022 #186

Just because he signed up on Democratic Underground doesn't make his profiting pnwmom Mar 2022 #57

Why did Russia want to promote Thom? gab13by13 Mar 2022 #59

To give the network credibility with Thom's progressive fan base. nt pnwmom Mar 2022 #62

exactly. WhiteTara Mar 2022 #194

Why has nobody succeeding in cancelling Hartmann on DU after more than 5 years? Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #78

Why? Because of people like you WhiteTara Mar 2022 #167

Aloha! Cha Mar 2022 #203

aloha WhiteTara Mar 2022 #210

You too, White Tara.. Mahalo! Cha Mar 2022 #211

I'm not aware anyone has tried. I haven't seen him post anything pnwmom Mar 2022 #181

Exactly. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #182

I don't know about being "a positive force," but he apparently has not crossed the line... Hekate Mar 2022 #218

Trumpism is older than five years. And this is a direct consequence of what happened in 2016. Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #83

Funny how nobody provides links or quotes of Hartmann carrying Russian water or tRump water Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #102

That's a deflection Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #130

+1000 nt jrthin Mar 2022 #134

+1000. He lost me when he started bashing HRC..enough said PortTack Mar 2022 #170

+1 betsuni Mar 2022 #216

I remember that bashing LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2022 #236

Bravo! Cha Mar 2022 #207

Because that wasn't the issue. The issue was that he condoned the network pnwmom Mar 2022 #183

Without links it's just a smear campaign. live love laugh Mar 2022 #189

He didn't have to. WhiteTara Mar 2022 #195

A Reality Check.. Refreshing.. TY! Cha Mar 2022 #204

What is your goal? You consistently for years now harangue about KPN Mar 2022 #65

Understanding sources of news is crucial. Hartmann's past is not fiction. RT is disinformation. (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #76

Understanding sources of news is important. Key word: understanding, not making stuff up KPN Mar 2022 #91

I just explained it. RT means he is no voice for my party. That opinion is my right to have. (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #99

You've still provided no evidence of what he has said and written Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #103

That's not a purpose. You haven't explained anything. Seems like you simply want to KPN Mar 2022 #111

Not at all, we can disagree vehemently on Hartmann without it automatically being my bad faith. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #113

+1 JustAnotherGen Mar 2022 #229

✔️ live love laugh Mar 2022 #190

He was a willing host of a show on the Russian propaganda network, helping to legitimate the network pnwmom Mar 2022 #199

Wow. I've got to jump in here. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2022 #84

I appreciate the good faith you attribute to those w this concern. Thanks eyeball. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #90

I'm sure Hartmann calling the Ukrainian leadership Neo-Nazi was a complete coincidence. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #114

I remember this - it turned me off to his Opinions JustAnotherGen Mar 2022 #230

I agree judesedit Mar 2022 #105

Nice rant Ferrets are Cool Mar 2022 #112

+1, uponit7771 Mar 2022 #150

Hartmann only left RT when DoJ wanted people on RT to register as foreign agents. NightWatcher Mar 2022 #197

Oh, horseshit. Magoo48 Mar 2022 #97

It's deserved. Trust is earned. And being supported by RT wasn't the way to earn it (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #101

1st out of the gate of course! Ferryboat Mar 2022 #3

I think you mean to reply to FreepFryer, not to the OP. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #5

You are right. The quote ( I don't remember who said it.) overleft Mar 2022 #6

Please explain specifically what you are talking about. gab13by13 Mar 2022 #14

I believe it is attributed to Ben Franklin. niyad Mar 2022 #60

niyad is correct. That's Franklin... paleotn Mar 2022 #96

What does this mean: eShirl Mar 2022 #8

Excellent question. Bothsidesism and sideways calls for political violence. Feels Russian (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #9

No no no, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #16

It means attending meetings, door knocking, internal lobbying, speaking rather than posting, etc. nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #15

So where does the Bannon stuff come in? eShirl Mar 2022 #19

Bannon pushes attending meetings, door knocking, internal lobbying, speaking rather than posting, Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #27

I just think it's weird to use Bannon as an example to model. eShirl Mar 2022 #32

Bannon is also known - among his base - as a leader and organizer. intheflow Mar 2022 #137

Bannon (equals sign) Satan eShirl Mar 2022 #146

Yeah, "Bannon" is Not Any Cha Mar 2022 #206

Using Bannon as an example for anything leaves a stink. He explicitly wants to overthrow the US. Hekate Mar 2022 #221

He's a Russian tool who only stopped being a tool when DoJ wanted people on RT to register for FARA NightWatcher Mar 2022 #10

+1 betsuni Mar 2022 #12

Your evidence is Hartmann saying the GOP is stupid more than 5 years ago. :eyes: Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #29

"Physically involved"? What "inner workings of the DNC"? betsuni Mar 2022 #11

Simple, but those with prejudice against TH can't imagine speaking at meetings, shaking hands, Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #20

"Prejudice against TH" "remember his show's relationship to Russian Military Intelligence" FreepFryer Mar 2022 #23

No, I don't remember Thom ever backing Russia, remind me please. gab13by13 Mar 2022 #31

Again, you give no evidence, least of all current evidence from his writings / podcasts / books. nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #33

No evidence? That's hilarious. I'm realizing now you're just naysaying. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #34

You are the naysayer wanting to cancel Hartmann. Ball in your court. You have no evidence Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #39

"Cancel", eh? Hardly. Wow, that one is a classic right wing BS move. Thanks for the chuckle (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #41

Still you provide nothing he ever said or wrote. You have nothing. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #42

As I told you in another thread, you dont get to demand actions of others. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #44

You feel you are privileged because you are demanding actions of others, but nobody else can Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #50

I've done no such thing, you're flatly wrong. "Canceling" is bullshit. Have a great day! (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #51

Hmm. Thirty Books. sheshe2 Mar 2022 #235

Then I'm also naysaying, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #40

No, you don't understand the argument at all and are reduced to misrepresenting it. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #43

Thanks for correcting my obvious ignorance! (nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #45

You are welcome. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #46

The evidence is that he took Russian money MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #64

Ah, the Bernie spectre is resuscitated again as a reason to fear Hartmann. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #71

Show us that he took MONEY, your allegation. PROVE IT. You can't. It's a dishonest smear. . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #74

How can he prove Democrats are corrupt? betsuni Mar 2022 #86

I think that's a lie. I think you misread the OP, for whatever reasons, laxness possibly among them Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #110

"The neoliberal system Reagan and Clinton pioneered is collapsing under its own weight of corruption betsuni Mar 2022 #132

What is it with people can't provide links? And that is not what is claimed Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #138

Hartmann thinks the Democratic Party is corrupt, supports populism. betsuni Mar 2022 #142

SAME text I posted links for you twice. And it does NOT SAY what you think it does Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #151

He says the Democratic Party is corrupt. betsuni Mar 2022 #154

Wrong. He says the * Neoliberal system * is corrupt. Read: Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #156

He says Democrats are neoliberals and corrupt. betsuni Mar 2022 #158

But your links don't say that. And your text ignores Democratic populists. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #159

Yes my link does. Liberal Democrats aren't populists. betsuni Mar 2022 #160

Nope. Bernie Sanders does not view liberals as a roadblock. He is liberal. Or you think he is a CON? Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #162

Who said Bernie said liberals are a roadblock? Where? betsuni Mar 2022 #164

Sanders is a liberal populist Democrat. You said populists can't be liberal or Democratic AND Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #171

Bernie is a democratic socialist, a populist, he is an independent. He is not a liberal Democrat. betsuni Mar 2022 #213

Um. RT hasn't disclosed his salary, strangely. MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #88

Your allegation, ball in your court, put up credible links. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #98

The US government asking all contributors on RT to register MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #108

RT used to be popular on DemocraticUnderground around that time. Condemn DU? Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #115

Yes, guilt by choosing to be MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #123

Still no credible links to anything he has said or written. And you continue to walk back the MONEY Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #127

Asking for people to take control of the DNC like MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #135

You smeared with "took money". Invoking Bannon is what-aboutism at best and diversion. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #139

Thom invoked Bannon. Not me. MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #144

Bannon has nothing to do with your indefensible smear that Hartmann TOOK MONEY. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #155

Does working for someone not indicate "taking money?" MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #174

You are missing that he wasn't "working for them" Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #176

There's no burden of proof for me to meet, sorry. MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #185

You said MONEY. You haven't provided any evidence of your smear that he TOOK MONEY Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #116

It's not a smear. He worked for RT. That's a fact. I'm not trying MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #126

You said "took MONEY", and provide no evidence. That is one of the smears. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #128

Democrats are accused of "taking money" all the time as if campaign contributions betsuni Mar 2022 #225

Why are you still fighting the 2016 primary? Emile Mar 2022 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author betsuni Mar 2022 #92

I'm not. MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #94

Lumping all Bernie primary voters not voting for Clinton IS REHASHING the 2016 election! Emile Mar 2022 #168

Wasn't what i said. MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #172

I went back and reread your post and the key word "some" Emile Mar 2022 #175

My post never said Bernie primary voters didn't vote for Hillary. MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #184

I know, it's a shame because many Bernie voters did vote for her. Emile Mar 2022 #187

I agree. The vast vast majority did, MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #191

True the vast majority did, but this is what you said: Bernie primary voters not voting for Clinton. Emile Mar 2022 #192

Again, not what i said. MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #193

Post 94 Emile Mar 2022 #198

OK you're correct. I said it MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #205

His words are his words. Nothing to do with "prejudice." betsuni Mar 2022 #47

It is prejudice to imagine Hartmann means violence by "physical" INSTEAD of normal meet-and-greet.nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #48

No it's not, freedom of speech means you don't get to regulate interpretations, that's Russian. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #49

But you are "Russian" (your term) because you want to regulate interpretations of Hartmann Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #53

But what does getting "physically involved in the Democratic Party using Bannon pushing this betsuni Mar 2022 #52

It means attending meetings, door knocking, internal lobbying, speaking rather than posting, etc. nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #55

BANNON. eShirl Mar 2022 #58

Have you listened to any of his pod casts? gab13by13 Mar 2022 #70

Bannon's? No. eShirl Mar 2022 #73

It's the myth that the Tea Party was "grassroots" and that there will be an alliance betsuni Mar 2022 #75

He's always pushed for local involvement.. grassroots mountain grammy Mar 2022 #122

Exactly. . .. nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #124

Trump was a genuine Fascist Racist movement JustAnotherGen Mar 2022 #231

OK now I get it, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #26

Bingo +1 Emile Mar 2022 #35

+1 Tommymac Mar 2022 #121

+1 leftstreet Mar 2022 #166

I listen to some of Thom Hartmann's program and Stephanie Miller on the Progressive doc03 Mar 2022 #54

+1. Some are doing everything they can to silence & deny one of the strongest Left voices. nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #56

Democrats are not always right about everything, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #66

No they're not. I live in Connor's district vocally and visually supported him in his first campaign Tommymac Mar 2022 #212

PACs are not allowed to collaborate with campaigns. TexasTowelie Mar 2022 #237

Mostly agreed. Not too far left for me. Liberal In Texas Mar 2022 #107

I'll stick with Urban Radio - Joe Madison and company JustAnotherGen Mar 2022 #232

Thom has a 50 year history of speaking for Progressive multigraincracker Mar 2022 #61

Thom Hartmann is a good Democrat... BlueJac Mar 2022 #63

Thank you all Traildogbob Mar 2022 #95

+1000 Liberal In Texas Mar 2022 #125

The same rant Traildogbob Mar 2022 #145

+1 Celerity Mar 2022 #220

I heard that segment ybbor Mar 2022 #67

The county I live in was nearly 100% controlled by Democrats 20 years ago, now every single doc03 Mar 2022 #77

Well said, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #80

Those who claim the "party is corrupt" must explain why they think so, they need to provide proof Escurumbele Mar 2022 #68

I've been asking for years for evidence the party is corrupt and it never comes. betsuni Mar 2022 #79

Exactly what I want to know.. that's Cha Mar 2022 #209

lol fuck putin ! stonecutter357 Mar 2022 #69

Yep and All his Enablers to his fucking Death Squad.. Cha Mar 2022 #208

I listened to him once on Sirius mcar Mar 2022 #81

I hope you are right, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #104

I live in a county that was pure Democrat when I got here in '92 mcar Mar 2022 #141

Divided we fall DownriverDem Mar 2022 #82

+1. (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #85

His rantings indicate his lack of understanding of how the party works. LiberalFighter Mar 2022 #89

Hartmann is not a friend of liberal democracy, he is not a friend of the US Constitution, and he is Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #93

Of course he is a friend of the Democratic party! Emile Mar 2022 #100

He is a populist. Populists don't particularly care about the parties they happen to affiliate with. Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #131

Hate to say this, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #140

FDR and Ted Kennedy weren't populists, they were liberal Democrats. betsuni Mar 2022 #143

They were liberal Democratic populists. The three appellations are not incompatible at all Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #153

No, not populists. Liberal Democrats. betsuni Mar 2022 #157

FDR and Ted Kennedy are not populists. Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #163

Not a friend of liberal democracy or the Constitution? Liberal In Texas Mar 2022 #109

I get this nonsense from the likes of Bannon and Trump Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #136

Populism is neither bad nor good. It's a method. Liberal In Texas Mar 2022 #147

Populism is antithetical to liberal democracy. Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #149

Nonsense. Populism is democratic and frequently liberal and Democratic Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #161

You like the word "nonsense" a lot, don't you? Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #169

Good start, but you lost me in the middle at equating populism with disregard for law Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #173

Please, Don't drag FDR into this! He is not a populist, he is the establishment Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #177

You haven't tried to prove that smear by anything he wrote or said, despite ample access Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #118

I can gauge the damage he has done without contributing a single penny to his royalties. Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #148

Your excuse is hollow and avoidable. Still not evidence from what he said or wrote. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #152

Your definition of evidence appears to be exceedingly narrow. Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #178

My mistake. I thought we were discussing Thom Hartmann. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #179

Very observant. We do indeed. Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #180

Reading The Comments Here... GB_RN Mar 2022 #117

Posts 90 & 114 might help provide a few bits of context. Agreed, RU and the GOP is the threat. nt FreepFryer Mar 2022 #119

In summary; gab13by13 Mar 2022 #120

Well, I see we are all on the same page. BlueJac Mar 2022 #129

I like listening to Hartmann Farmer-Rick Mar 2022 #133

He left RT when he was required to register as a foreign agent. Hortensis Mar 2022 #233

We bdamomma Mar 2022 #196

Hartmann has been advocating for grass roots involvement in the Democratic party SalviaBlue Mar 2022 #201

Wow ..... Cheezoholic Mar 2022 #214

1965. What has that got to do with anything? betsuni Mar 2022 #215

Nothing, it has nothing to do with it Cheezoholic Mar 2022 #219

your reply reminded me of this slice of absolute superbness from the end of the noughties Celerity Mar 2022 #222

I gotta thing about suburbia Cheezoholic Mar 2022 #224

The Business - Suburban Rebels Celerity Mar 2022 #226

Woke my partner up lol Cheezoholic Mar 2022 #227

oopsie! (it is after 1 pm here) Celerity Mar 2022 #228

Apathy and defeatism is blaming Democrats for what Republicans do. betsuni Mar 2022 #223