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Igel

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26. I put it in the same bin as "not joining NATO."
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 10:05 PM
Mar 2022

Was it a decision or acceptance of what others will allow?

Same for this. Ukraine lacks the offensive weapons necessary to retake that territory.

Those offensive weapons would also allow a much more robust defense. But nobody wants to annoy Putin--they let him set the terms of the conflict, to a large extent. It's a sucky precedent to set--let the aggressor determine the terms.

Without the offensive weapons, one must merely accept that all the bluster about "territorial integrity" was just that--bluster. Playing to the outraged public on the one hand, playing the outraged public on the other.

As Macron said today, the "collective" goal is just to "stop the war." Not win. Just "stop."

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This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #1
read the link WarGamer Mar 2022 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #4
I'm surprised by the commitment NOT to retake Russian occupied areas. WarGamer Mar 2022 #5
Me too- I don't think that would be approved in a referendum Alhena Mar 2022 #10
I think the referendum would be for "neutral status" like Switzerland. WarGamer Mar 2022 #11
And: Zelenskyy says He ruled out trying to recapture all Russian-held territory by force... WarGamer Mar 2022 #2
I hope he doesn't agree to split up Ukraine. Like N and S Korea. HUAJIAO Mar 2022 #6
If he refuses to use force to retake the areas... it's de facto surrender of the land WarGamer Mar 2022 #8
exactly HUAJIAO Mar 2022 #12
I put it in the same bin as "not joining NATO." Igel Mar 2022 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #17
At a glance, it sounds like a dirty deal might be in the making? herding cats Mar 2022 #7
that's how I read it. WarGamer Mar 2022 #9
I trust him but..... please don't. HUAJIAO Mar 2022 #13
I doubt Putin will settle for the status quo prior to the invasion. bluewater Mar 2022 #14
I don't think that they're realistically going to take back Donbas or Crimea. Crunchy Frog Mar 2022 #16
Putin will be back Javaman Mar 2022 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #18
Whatever happens, sanctions need to stay in place Qutzupalotl Mar 2022 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #21
Russia's biggest bank was never removed from SWIFT former9thward Mar 2022 #23
yup... WarGamer Mar 2022 #24
The only solution is for all land grab taken back. LiberalFighter Mar 2022 #20
Russia should be destroyed for what they have done, not Ukraine. Dawson Leery Mar 2022 #22
It isn't a great deal in itself. The neutral status should make it a no-go ColinC Mar 2022 #25
Appeasement is not the answer. SoonerPride Mar 2022 #27
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